RE: "Spiritual Drugs" Are Bullshit by thelastsage

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· @thelastsage ·
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I am not going to reply to this in my normal way of linking peer reviewed medical journals which should provide us with our information. That has already been done by @teamsteem and others. 

Instead I am going to talk subjectively because this post was written that way.

I have studied and worked in the field of mental health for what seems like an eternity. I have spent equally eternal times with helping comfort people in their last months of life as a hospice nurse. I speak from real life situations that have affected my life as well as many of my patients. I hold degrees that qualify me to be heard, but that is not of importance for this conversation. What is of importance is that individual people find good in their treatment. 

When I read a post like this I understand that the viewpoints involved in it are purely speculative and based on fear and misconception. Have you had psychological need to use any of these drugs? My question is to you @kyriacos. Why do you wish to slander that which you do not understand?

I have had the privilege of knowing 80+ people who have died under my watch as a Hospice nurse. In the transition period of life when all light fades and the psyche begins to understand the disconnection with the physical body, strange things start to happen. We create anxiety, stress, doubt and many other emotions which can be horribly overwhelming. 

Have you ever sat with someone who was gasping for their last breathes, holding your hand and staring in your eyes with tears welling up and more fear than can be understood?? What if you as a medical health professional knew there were ways to help deal with this agony, but yet you could not use them because your government does not allow it?

Aside from the huge benefits of these medications in Hospice, I have also seen them used in psychiatry as well. Their have been many doctors to date who use and have used psychedelics as modes of release for patients unable to cope. 

You said in your post, *"Since the dawn of our evolutionary timeline, human always tried to escape the reality of life by doing physiological "hacks"."* I would like to point out to start, that you should proof read your work so that you don't use the wrong words. "Physiological" refers to the biological part of the human makeup. Psychological refers to the "spark" that is consciousness. Therefore people have **not** been doing "physiological hacks". 

Beyond that simple fact, I must ask how has your life been up to date. Have you known war? Have you felt the feeling of hot sticky blood running down your face as you try to understand that what you are looking at was once the body of a friend who is now dismembered and dead? 

Have you lived knowing that you took the life of someone who was someone's child and may have been a parent, simply because your government gave you an order??

Tell me about how much hardship you have endured and then explain to me why you want to try to instigate more fear and propaganda over a drug/drugs which we still know so little about. Because of this fear and propaganda, those of us working in science have been unable to do clear and concise studies on them. Our governments keep things regulated for reasons, most of which we are never privileged to know. If you have faith that the propaganda you have been fed is meant for your protection, then you are sadly mistaken. 

My point to all of this is that every individual has a right and a choice to use the tools available to them to deal with their unique situations. By creating turmoil and distrust you simply fuel the unsupported claims that have been fed to the masses for so long. This continues to instill fear which leads to hatred towards something which people have no understanding of. My suggestion to you is to go live a little life before you pretend you know something about it.

Am I being biased in this response... yes I believe I am, which is not like me. You though sir, are making false acquisitions with no evidence to back it up.

Quote from your post: *"I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them."* Where sir is your evidence. Most of us in the scientific community wish to see peer reviewed fact based evidence. You will not find general consensus reports on these claims because they do not exist... 

It would seem you wish to spout off bullshit and nothing more...

Peace,
The Last Sage
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@kyriacos ·
>When I read a post like this I understand that the viewpoints involved in it are purely speculative and based on fear and misconception. Have you had psychological need to use any of these drugs? My question is to you @kyriacos. Why do you wish to slander that which you do not understand?

why do you wish to hype that which you don't understand? Even alcohol can help momentarily for some psychological "disorders" but it can quickly get our of hand. scientific studies have not demonstrated to "cure" anyone because psychiatry is mostly bullshit to begin with. 

>"Physiological" refers to the biological part of the human makeup. Psychological refers to the "spark" that is consciousness. Therefore people have not been doing "physiological hacks".

Consciousness is a bullshit word to begin with. it does not exist. There is no "mind vs body". Everything in neurally connected. You said you worked with people? you definitely need training how the body works. Begin with this. the human brain extents everywhere..aka physiological includes any "psychological".

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/5d/f6/ef5df6e8a02d67218f6ed36d53e5d6c5--naga-world-photo.jpg

>Tell me about how much hardship you have endured and then explain to me why you want to try to instigate more fear and propaganda over a drug/drugs which we still know so little about. Because of this fear and propaganda, those of us working in science have been unable to do clear and concise studies on them. Our governments keep things regulated for reasons, most of which we are never privileged to know. If you have faith that the propaganda you have been fed is meant for your protection, then you are sadly mistaken.

I have taken enough drugs to know that the spiritual claims are bullshit and that they don't actually make you "connect" more than having a pet. they don't have long lasting effects. aka..they act as painkillers which you get used to if you continue doing them..fucking you up completely. i know friends that take LSD daily almost. completely delusional and some of them suicidal. 

>"I am not going to argue about the dangers of these drugs even if many people have died in the process of taking them."

Literally all over google and from personal experiences.
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@thelastsage ·
You are something else my friend... You speak as though you wish to cause pain... it truly is sad. I send all of my love to you and hope you find a way to deal with your pain.

Peace,
The Last Sage
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@kyriacos ·
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