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There are definitely heaps of people flocking to the Amazon or local 'shaman' in search of something to fill their emptiness or because they believe medicines , like ayahuasca, will provide spiritual enlightenment. Some may wear their experience like a badge of honor, the simple fact of taking ayahuasca may make them feel as if they are on a higher spiritual level. However, before we completely dismiss Ayahuasca and LSD, why not incorporate these substances into research and attempt to discern their true potential as medicines? Ayahuasca, in particular, has the potential to be a powerful tool in treating severe forms of depression, drug addiction and PTSD. So far, the evidence is mostly subjective but their are some in the medical profession that believe in its potential to heal people who have experienced trauma. I'm thinking of the work by Dr. Gabor Mate especially. LSD, psilocybin and mdma in prescribed doses or micro-doses may also be beneficial. What are your thoughts on this?
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Excellent. Many hallucinogenic drugs have worked for depressed people. These drugs today are very useful in therapies. Good answer.
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>Ayahuasca, in particular, has the potential to be a powerful tool in treating severe forms of depression, drug addiction and PTSD Not more powerful than getting a pet or making some good friends. Medication starts being medication when it surpasses the placebo threshold which is around 33%. Unfortunately, no research on LSD can demonstrated anything beyond that. I have to point out here that research on the subject is limited due to bias in regards to these drugs. Nonetheless, nothing of significance has be shown. Another interesting part is that modern medication for depression are not any better and might cause even more problems than simple drugs such as Ayahuasca.
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It's misleading to say that "nothing of significance" has been shown. There were more than 1,000 peer-reviewed clinical papers detailing the use of psychedelic compounds (administered to approximately 40,000 patients) published by the mid-1960s. LSD was seen to have a greater than 50% success rate in treating alcoholics in just a single-session:  Source: *Smart RG, Storm T (March 1964). "The Efficacy of LSD in the Treatment of Alcoholism" (PDF). Quarterly Journal of Studies on Alcohol. 25: 333.* In addition, there are studies ongoing today: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/health/lsd-reconsidered-for-therapy.html The founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson said that, "I am certain that the LSD experiment has helped me very much. I find myself with a heightened color perception and an appreciation of beauty almost destroyed by my years of depression.” This is just one use of LSD. Maybe you will enjoy this TED Talk by a current research scientist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZIaTaNR3gk
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>LSD was seen to have a greater than 50% success rate in treating alcoholics in just a single-session: that's like giving weed to tobacco smokers and claiming that it cures puffing.
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