RE: Guillaume Cardinal by nadinemenezes

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· @nadinemenezes ·
Thanks for your answer and clarification @teamsteem. I appreciate you having taking the time to respond.

**AI**: AI could never merge with human consciousness but incorporating that technology into our bodies can affect our consciousness (and soul, for those who feel they have one) in many ways. For example, just using social media affects our consciousness. Smartphones already affect our cognition and possibly even decrease our IQs.

I've tried looking for Dan Larimer's thoughts about AI, robots and haven't come across any posts or articles on his views. If anyone has any links about this, it would be much appreciated.

**Wealth**: Gates and Musk do in fact talk about wealth, both in terms of money creation and unequal concentration. Musk especially endorses Universal Basic Income (UBI) which Gates somewhat seems to support it but thinks the world is not quite ready.
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@finnian ·
In regards to AI I hope we at least get to cyborg stage.  As a person with a hearing disability, I would welcome some technology to fix my hearing.  I wouldn't turn down other sense enhancements too.  It's not AI, but AI will help.  Imagine a doctor that never makes a mistake.  What if your diagnosis was always right?  Doctors are very fallible.  Sure, humans would need to still make ethical decisions since AI and robots could never be trusted to do it, but AI is definitely going to help us as humans.

Regarding wealth Steem is already solving the problem.  Imagine how much this place is helping out people in places where 1 USD goes a VERY long way.  This place, in a sense, is a way to voluntarily support your friends through welfare.  We are paying people whether their content is good or not.  We are supposed to reward the best content, but everyone knows there is bias.  That's a good thing too.

One reason I have added a little of my own money to my SP is to support my friends more.  I absolutely love voluntary welfare, and sites like this make it extremely easy to do.  The more connected people are in other words, the more easily it is to help them.

The connections needs to be decentralized though and in the control of the masses, not a centralized fascist entity.  As long as we build systems that are within our control, they will be on our side and do way more good than harm.
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@nadinemenezes ·
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A reality where people can add things to their bodies like that frightens me. 

As an empath/intuitive, I can sometimes sense what's going on in the other person (and more). I know bodies are far more than biological tissue -- some have said we live in an electric universe but I'm sure there's more. I believe humans perceive just a small fraction of reality through their senses although many could naturally perceive far more just through the process of living in a very "embodied", authentic way (closer to one soul's purpose, if you could believe in such things).

Any sense modification/perceiving body technologies would merely serve to increase this "embodiment gap" that humans have.

From working with myself and other people, not being fully IN one's body psychologically/energetically is a result of trauma and just living in this society. This disconnection causes a lot set of other problems. E.g. If you had one shorter leg than another, you'd also have tension problems in other parts of your body due to everything being connected. Enhancing , altering or fixing a symptom will only create imbalance somewhere else. It's a very holistic way of seeing things. 

**AI and doctors**: It is impossible for AI or human doctors to be perfect because we don't know *everything* about the human body -- why everything works the way it does or why it might break down in some ways. AI might examine biological information and come to conclusions quicker but collating medical info from a patient, treating patients and being a doctor is far more than that. It would take a long time for AI to be as good as a human doctor and would probably add bureaucracy and further cost to the system. In a way, decisions are already made according to predefined "best practice" protocols (which AI might be programmed with) and that has caused its own set of issues. I like doctors being able to microcontrol surgical instruments but many doctors and patients still have a problem with remotely controlling this machinery let alone machinery working on its own.

Also, if you cannot trust robots and AI with ethical decisions (usually very simple practical choices which are morally complex) -- surely your intuition is telling you something? It would be impossible to ensure all AI is programmed with Isaac Asimov's robotic laws for example.

**Wealth**: Yeah it's going to be interesting to see how Steem develops in this way. It would be interesting to see the bell curve of where/how much Steem is distributed among contributers/curators and through donations. What do users who do nothing get, for example? If this was a 100% Steem world, those who couldn't contribute would have to rely on donations.

I'm new the idea of voluntary welfare. UBI appears to resolve a lot of issues and free up people to contribute and create in whatever way they're gifted to. 

I agree that wealth distribution systems should be under decentralized, impartial, non corrupt, non fascist, human control.  I like the sound of UBI and voluntary welfare working together!

Interesting conversation :)
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@finnian · (edited)
Almost everyone can contribute (produce) something.  The very few who actually cannot produce anything would be cared for voluntarily very easily then.

That is true implant wise.  For example, I would rather we figure out how to heal my hearing nerve damage.  Hearing aids help me for example, but they are _very_ frustrating.  They don't help very much either.

By doctors I only mean to improve things.  If you combine medical errors and prescription drug deaths, doctors are a top killer.  They are at number two on the list I believe.  It's that bad.  

All I'm hoping for is a way to remove all of that death and suffering.  Myself and my spouse have both been gravely harmed by modern medicine's professionals.  I just don't have much faith in the current system.  

It needs improving by people like you, those who believe in nature's remedies, and people who do not have profit as their top priority.  Their first objective needs to go back to having healthy people, and we don't have that today because there's no money to be made from a healthy person of course.

As long as people can agree to everything being voluntary, the possibilities are endless.  I just reject all notions of forcing people to do anything.  It's a bad path to go down and always ends poorly.

The least powerful (concentrated wealth) almost always are the ones to suffer the most too.  Give the powerful a system to take over, and they will take it over.  That is why no matter what government _system_ is tried, it eventually ends up in favor of the elite at the expense of the regular people.
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@teamsteem ·
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I've listed in this here a series of 4 posts by Dan Larimer that talk about UBI, money creation and the inevitable job losses by AI and automation. 

https://steemit.com/liberty/@teamsteem/thank-you-dan-larimer-you-are-a-great-mentor

Below is the link to the first post of this series. It's super interesting. It revolutionized how I see the world. (The whole series)

https://steemit.com/basicincome/@dantheman/property-rights-and-basic-income-a-viable-solution-is-possible

The UBI those guys talk about doesn't solve anything and is a form of taxation through inflation, thus use of force. To illustrate this, let's say every Canadian receive 100$ per day or week or month, then nothing changed.  

The UBI Dan has proposed is totally different and solve those issues.
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@nadinemenezes ·
Hi Guillaume, thanks for your reply and the links! Those were some pretty long articles. On the whole, even if I like Dan's sentiments, I have a different opinion.

I wrote a long response so put it in a post instead:
https://steemit.com/universal-income/@nadinemenezes/comment-dan-larimer-s-basic-income-vs-universal-basic-income-reply-to-teamsteem
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