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Privacy - i.e. one to effectively OWN its data, info and Secrecy - i.e. to cover up your actions and communication - are categorically different things. See etymology.: https://www.etymonline.com/word/secret . Secrecy by definition and essence divides, sets apart people and thus decreases the ease and freedom of communication, and the end of the day impoverishes the society in its sense of a Metcalfe's law scaling network. Privacy = ownership over information, because to own implies to voluntary transfer of trade, is inclusive and binding and increasing wealth and well being. Secrecy = being exclusive and putting fences - has the opposite effect. Also, people and organizations tend to be secretive when they want this way to avoid harm or to inflict harm. Secrecy thus could be regarded as epitome of hostile action.
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I agree that is why I said SECRECY defended LIBERTY rather than privacy defended liberty. The location of the slaves and the safe houses had to be kept a secret to protect life and liberty. If the slaves were captured they may have been killed and certainly would have been put into slavery. So unless somehow we deem slavery as more moral than secrecy then how can we argue for absolute transparency? Secrecy seems to be necessary because there is no evidence that humans in society (historically) will do the right thing if they have maximum transparency. Slavery happened and the slaves only escaped that condition through furtive means. To the slave master in that scenario perhaps secrecy was evil but to the slave trying to be free perhaps secrecy was good. See the point I'm trying to make?
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Consider how transparency can also be the ultimate facilitator of oppression. If we look at the holocaust there is the story of Anne Frank. Anne Frank was being persecuted by her government. She had to hide as all jews were being persecuted and had to hide from the SS and other groups. In this case the stakes were even higher than slavery, this was genocide. Here is a challenge for you. Show me how transparency could have protected the life of Anne Frank? Prove to me that anything other than secrecy would have saved her life. Because I'm convinced she died because of transparency. > Acting on tip from a Dutch informer, the Nazi Gestapo captures 15-year-old Jewish diarist Anne Frank and her family in a sealed-off area of an Amsterdam warehouse. The Franks had taken shelter there in 1942 out of fear of deportation to a Nazi concentration camp. They occupied the small space with another Jewish family and a single Jewish man, and were aided by Christian friends, who brought them food and supplies. Anne spent much of her time in the “secret annex” working on her diary. The diary survived the war, overlooked by the Gestapo that discovered the hiding place, but Anne and nearly all of the others perished in the Nazi death camps. References ------- 1. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/anne-frank-captured
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Yeah. I also said that secrecy is violence / counter-violence 'tool. I do not think that terms of transparency can at all apply to non-responsible types of 'governments'.
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From what I know about governments is that it is a bit of a gamble. Depending on the people who are in government, depending on how the courts may interpret the constitution at that time if there is one, depending on many unpredictable variables, the government can be more or less responsible. So if we are supposed to hope all governments with maximum transparency remain responsible we are really just hoping our neighbors don't act in ways which statistics and history would have us think those in authority can act. The information I have now, is just history, statistics, and the laws. These are the tools I have to work with to evaluate what a government might do in the future. Laws can change, the history impacts the culture in unpredictable ways, and statistics tell me what the government actually is doing. Anyway I am glad you recognize there is a balance. That is the reason I'm not able to go with radical transparency. Radical transparency seems to tip the balance too far on the side of oppression (in theory).
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