RE: Jacob Goes Off Grid Day 38 Part 2 by smithlabs

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· @smithlabs · (edited)
I have been recovering single cells from recycled lap top batteries. The cost is mostly sweat,  and each cell is 10 watts at 4 volts. I plan to stack six for 24 volts at 60 watts.  I have over 700 cells now, and I want 2100. Here in one trip to the computer store:

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The operating life of LiIon batteries in 30 plus years, where lead acid is 5. The fork lift battery is a good choice,  they are deep cycle. You might look at a Tesla car battery pack, they are upgrading some right now to bigger cells,so some are surplus.

Mother Earth has a lot on Earth Batteries. Basically, pipe is buried about 4 foot deep, with a long run. The pipe receives ground temperature,  and air is circulated. This temperate air is used to heat or cool. 

I posted an article on energy scavenging a few days ago,  good information.

Peltier modules are a fun toy. I have designed them into equipment several times. They are impressive,  but their efficiency is low. 3 amps at 12 volts will get you about 150 btu, but they will run forever!  The Russians use them to make electric power from heat.  I may play with that myself, after the build is finished.

I will have to use Styrofoam,because the mice in the country love insulation they can nest in. I am adding a 2 inch foam sheathing wall inside the mobile. That allows me to totally replace the inside walls too. 

I have to remove a black walnut tree to place the shop. It is about 28 inches dia., and I will have it milled and dried for kitchen cabinets. 

The shop walls were going to cost me $2000 per side. The containers will be $3300 per unit, so for $2600 difference, I get two 8 by 40 storage spaces.
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@jacobpeacock ·
I have to say that I like your style.

Yeah the lithium batteries last but there is alot more complexity to them than just 'plug and play'. I do think they are pretty great but it just is not the direction that I want to go with things because I like 'simplicity'.

As for the Tesla stuff I am honestly just not a fan because I think much of it is overpriced and although I must commend the marketing strategy used...it is after all a marketing strategy much more than a 'push' for sustainability but that is all philisophical opinion on my part and I am not narrow minded enough to hold other folk's choices against them.

I am famiilar with what you call an Earth Battery now that you describe it and I actually have plans for doing something similar with buried pipe.

There is some confusion over the difference between Peltier modules and TEG modules. The first is for heating and cooling but the second is strictly for generating electricity. There is a lot of crap TEG modules on the market but there are also some really nice ones that produce good voltages. The technology is definitly promising for passive electric generation but it is still evolving.

I looked through your feed but could not locate the article on energy scavengers that you mentioned. I did read an article last night about MIT doing some experiments with it but I could not find anything else online.

The way you are doing your insulation sounds like a good method just be careful not to create a double vapor barrier in the process.

That black walnut must be what a hundred feet tall or more? That tree is going to make some beautiful cabinets. It is a really pretty wood. I like that kind of tree alot but it sure is hard to grow things near it due to the juglone. 

As for that shop. Yeah it is a brilliant method for creating space and for what you get in the end 'per dollar' it is well worth it.

I am really looking forward to seeing your progress as you move forward.
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@smithlabs ·
The thermo electric generator is composed of peltier modules, which are simple thermocouples in series. The ones the Russians use are thermocouple wire (welded style) that allows them to expose it to volcanic heat. The cooling peltire modules are semiconductors and will not survive that high a heat. 

If you decide to make your own thermocouples, they use low voltage high current, and just touch the wires together. Remember that each thermocouple will only output 50 milivolts (0.05 volts), so you will need a lot of them to get usable power.  I have considered setting one up for solar on front , and ground cool on the back. At night, I can run the woodstove heat into the sun side of this panel, and generate power.

*They are a fun toy.*  *`:)`*
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@jacobpeacock ·
I got a few of the cheaper ones not that long ago and they output 0.96 volts each  and I think (if memory serves here) they generate around 2 watts each. I probably won't build any but I may buy some of the larger 14.4 volt ones eventually. There is a pretty big power plant using them in Alaska to harness volcanic heat as well.
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@smithlabs · (edited)
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I have a friend in Fla, that bought the surplus battery from a tesla, for about a grand, and runs his whole house on it. All the tech is already there, and the owners sell them for scrap when they upgrade. 

That said, USE what YOU are comfortable with! It is YOUR system! I will use over 300 battery sticks, to make a 21000 watt 24 volt battery. But that is what I am comfortable with, which does not mean it is right for you.

Eventually, I would like to make a Vanadium Redox flow battery. BUT I am not comfortable with that yet, LOL! **`:)`**
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@jacobpeacock ·
Indeed it is all about working with what we are comfortable with. I don't begrudge anyone what they do or do not use. I have considered finding a scraped (totaled out) electric vehicle at a scrap yard just for the battery. That Vanadium Redox flow battery is a new one to me but after a little research whooa does it look interesting.
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