RE: Where to Find Truth and Facts About SARS-2 and COVID-19? by thoughts-in-time

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· @thoughts-in-time ·
Is it just me, or does this whole wash 
your hands frequently bit to protect 
yourself from a race-specific biolog-
ical weapon smack of duck & cover?
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@valued-customer ·
I am sure duck and cover was an effective means of preventing nuclear annihilation.  I don't think any Americans perished from nuclear blasts, after the duck and cover protocol was advocated.

But, no, washing your hands after touching something someone else touched is probably a good way to get rid of any pathogens they may have left on it.  Those alcohol wipes and gels are probably a good second best if you can't carry a sink with hot running water around with you.  And soap.

Soap makes such a mess in my pockets!

I'm not convinced this is a biological weapon.  It's very virulent, meaning it is easy to transmit and catch, but it's a lot less fatal than Ebola or Warburg, and seems most harmful to the elderly, not fighting age men.  

I suspect it may have been an attempt to work on vaccines,as China did run human trials of SARS vaccines, despite the animal trials revealing that was a bad idea.  Wuhan Institute of Virology submitted a lot of coronaviruses to the NCBI, which means they did a lot of work with them, particularly those that remained latent in bats, because of bats' weird immune systems.

I had a plotline for a morbid syfy story in mind, in which cagy intelligence operatives crafted SARS-2 and made it available to known Chinese spies in Canada, who'd be sure to steal it, and made it so infectious that China's BSL-4 labs would be unable to contain it, given China's 10x jobsite injury rate.  But I really don't want to put that story into the world today.  There's enough bad mojo going around.
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@thoughts-in-time · (edited)
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Dr. Francis Boyle has me convinced it's a bio-weapon, and others have me convinced that it's current iteration prior to mutation is race specific against Chinese and Japanese based on their high expression of ace-2 cells in the lungs. I've learned that antibodies aren't necessarily and indication of acquired immunity and reinfection can easily occur. I think everyone will ultimately end up catching this, but perhaps mainly the young (with an overactive immune response,) and elderly of Asian descent will be the highest casualties. My guess is that it's probably one of the most nightmarish things that many will witness in their lifetime. From the looks of it, China and Japan will get hit the hardest and if I'm right it's not just exports (or access to affordable goods that's a concern). Exporting our products from a nation of superspreaders won't be well received, if at all.

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@valued-customer · (edited)
I hope Dr. Boyle is wrong.  I hope a lot of what you just said is wrong, and I'm sure you do too.  We'll know a lot more in a month, after we see if it spreads in the West as it did in China, regarding it's racial specificity.

I've read that there isn't particularly significant difference between ACE2 expression in East Asians and Europeans, Africans or other ethnic groups.  Perhaps that will turn out to be significant, or perhaps not.  The study that claims Asians express ACE2 at higher levels than Europeans had only 8 subjects, and one of them was an Asian male.  That's not enough data sources to make claims that entire races feature certain genetic differences IMHO.

Some really bad things I've read about this virus is that it attacks testes (which no reasonable man wants attacked), and also causes lymphopenia, a reduction in lymphocytes (our white blood cells that are the backbone of our immune system), similar to what HIV is claimed to do.  Lymphopenia is a main symptom of AIDS.  This virus appears to cause a form of AIDS, and it's extremely virulent, spreading up to 10 meters just by being exhaled, and not even sneezed or coughed out in droplets.

The problem vaccines for SARS cause is likely exactly the same mechanism that causes reinfections to be so lethal, and the lymphopenia may well allow such reinfections as there are fewer white blood cells to clean up the reinfection.  Worse, it appears this virus can also use the CD4+ cells to reproduce in, just like HIV, so when the lymphocytes eat the virii, it's really just letting them in so they can make copies of themselves.  These are scary claims, and I hope none of them are true.

Airborne AIDS is an existential threat to our species, and I want my kids to live, even if I'm done for.  
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