RE: The last missing piece of the steem puzzle by snowflake

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· @snowflake ·
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>I upvoted your post even though I disagree with most of it for the unusual effort you've put into it.

Thanks.  But 'unusual effort' ?  I put some effort in pretty much all posts I've put out.

>They have to buy steem and lock it for 3 month to be able to do so, so that's what I'd call a feature.

This is not going to stop anyone who has money to burn and want to hurt steem. Look at the people spamming the bitcoin network burning thousands of dollars to prove a point. 

>A. Not going to happen even with 25% of supply.
B. That would make us all filthy rich

>What's the point of coming up with a scenario where Facebook buys an impossible amount of Steem ?

The scenario works with any amount actually. My point is that anyone buying a large amount of steem to hurt the platform would only be able to do so by down voting content.

>There is zero violence involved in downvoting, 

Demonetizing content is very violent especially when you are not prepared for it, just look at all the stories on youtube. Some people have even gone homeless because of this.

>Consensus on defining trolling ? Consensus on defining offensive content ? Consensus on detecting pedophilia ? Consensus on ect ?

The content that’s most downvoted is the content that the community found the least acceptable. 


>By your new consensus mechanism how many people are needed to watch and confirm said pedophilia to deserve it being censored?

This is still up for debate and will depend on the number of steem users.

>Everyone can equally downvote, I really don't see how any wider consensus method would be better

The problem is not whether all users can downvote or not, it's that wealthy people can censor anything on the platform. You were talking about botnets spamming earlier, those spammers are harmless because they upvote content, wait until bots starts downvoting purely to destroy this platform. A wider consensus method would prevent abuse and make steem more resilient to censorship.

>What if instead of Zuck buying 99% of all Steem 99% of people were doing like you and self vote through your scheme with @mindhunter (upvoting empty comments at time 6.5 day).

I am not self voting, mindhunter is buying votes from me, exactly like the dozens of similar vote buying scheme on steemit.
I’m not having fun doing this, I would much rather curate content and would earn much more money. Unfortunately I and many other don’t  have time to spend hours on this site curating content. Everyone wants to make money though, so far this is the best way I found, if you know of a better way to earn that does not require me to be 24/7 on steemit do let me know.

>What are you even talking about? How much of your large stake have you used to moderate?

I don’t think this is relevant to my point

>How is "losing potential rewards" a business ?

Many users have made a business out of moderation, see @cheetah @steemcleaners and other users that are basically compensated in some form or another.

>How on earth do you expect 90% of people/stake on steem to watch said pedophilia or read the BS you are posting before deciding it is trolling and should deserve a downvote?

Not 90% of all steemians of course, a post would require say 90 out of 100 votes against it to be down voted.
A moderation board could also be created to facilitate moderation and encourage user to get involved in it.

>"Not necessarily..." I mean really ? This is utterly stupid. If you're not aware at @spaminator/steemcleaner we're dealing with bonets with 10k+ accounts.

1 steemian = 1 down vote would be a no issue if the reputation system was solid, unfortunately that’s not the case today.

>I feel like you should consider selling you Steem and move onto someting else because appart from stealth self upvoting and giving shortshighted and half-assed advices on how to run the platform you seems pretty useless here. (I remember all your previous post from a year ago, seems like it didn't evolve much since then.)

Disagreement on a topic is not a reason to be rude and disrespectful.  Also my posts have done a lot to open the discussions and improve steem.
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@mindhunter ·
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> Disagreement on a topic is not a reason to be rude and disrespectful.

I agree with you on this one @snowflake - I've always found @transisto to be a weak debater, hence he does resort to trolling a lot once you reveal the flaws in his logic.

Your comment is further proof that skepticism, honesty & intelligence > trolling.
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@transisto · (edited)
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Unusual compared to your previous post length from 6+ months ago.

>... This is not going to stop anyone who has money to burn and want to hurt steem.

I'm not saying that someone with lots of money cannot hurt steem, but that your example is irrealist. Steem can defend against all of these attack using downvotes and blacklist on the frontends.

> Demonetizing content is very violent 

There is no actual monetization until after 7 days thus there is no demonetization.

> ... wealthy people can censor anything on the platform. You were talking about botnets spamming earlier, those spammers are harmless because they upvote content, wait until bots starts downvoting purely to destroy this platform.

There is no actual censorship on steem thanks to the blockchain and the sorting via curation form the wisdom of the stake is what gives steem it's value.

> I am not self voting, mindhunter is buying votes from me, exactly like the dozens of similar vote buying scheme on steemit.
I’m not having fun doing this, I would much rather curate content and would earn much more money. 

No, you would not earn more money from curating content vs what you're doing now even if you were doing it 24/7.
Actually now you will because we have no intention of letting what you're doing happen.

> I don’t think this is relevant to my point

Yes because either you upvote yourself with your stake, curate good content or flag the crap. You either selfishly extract tokens from the blockchain or you make the value of those token be worth more by improving the content or rewarding those who develop the ecosystem.

 > Many users have made a business out of moderation, see @cheetah @steemcleaners and other users that are basically compensated in some form or another.

Even though the steemcleaner post makes money, lately the cost associated with @cheetah are more than the money donnated to the service.
and if anything is left it's not giving anyone involved a 1$/h salary for what they're doing.

> Not 90% of all steemians of course, a post would require say 90 out of 100 votes against it to be down voted.
A moderation board could also be created to facilitate moderation and encourage user to get involved in it.

Still you want 100 steemian to watch child porn before deciding if it's worth a downvote?  More than 1 person is too much and the people doing this job traditionally require expensive psycological support.

> 1 steemian = 1 down vote would be a no issue if the reputation system was solid, unfortunately that’s not the case today.

Single number reputation is indeed completely flawed, There are multiple kind of reputation that can't be expressed by a number.
Luckily current reputation system has nothing to do with how content get rewarded or is visible.

> Also my posts have done a lot to open the discussions and improve steem. 

I think they were mostly useless and they distracted from finding actual solutions. 
That's my opinion, Be as insulted as you want by it, snowflake!
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