RE: Irredeemable by jimbobbill

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· @jimbobbill ·
It might have been legal and even accepted as normal by many but slavery has always been morally wrong. How could it have ever been right? How could any man ever have had the right to own another man? Who gave him that right? The same goes for murder. How could any man ever have the right to steal another mans life that did not belong to him? Who gave him that right? Can you think of a circumstance in which it would be morally right for someone to take your life from you when you were not harming them?

A right could be defined as any action that is taken that does not cause harm to another sensient being. If the action you take does cause harm to another being (that is not threatening or causing harm to you) then you do not have the right to take the action. It's that simple.

Moral relativism allows people to excuse whatever behavior or action they see fit as long as they believe in thier heads it is ok or that the people around them believe its ok.
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@meno ·
but we don't disagree Jim...  Knowing what we know today, we clearly see all these old practices as unacceptable... but we are living today, and that distinction is key.

It seems obvious now... I mean... I'm with you 100% but if we read some of the ideas being espoused by revered thinkers, political figures and leaders of years past, we might feel shocked and confused.

For example, Jefferson is remembered as a founding father, as our third president, as a man who helped lay the first bricks to create this great nation. But... he also owned slaves.  In his day, nobody thought of him as a monster... and we try to be fair to the context of time.
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@jimbobbill ·
It doesn't matter what we know today because slavery has always been wrong. By keeping slaves Jefferson was behaving immorally. He might have believed that he had a right to take away a mans freedom but how could he have ever actually had the right? The majority of people didn't think he was a monster but some forward and right thinking people did because there is no justification for keeping slaves just like there were forward thinking people in the deep south in the past who knew it was morally wrong to lynch a black man (or any man for that matter). 

If there were 50 white men at a Klu Klux Clan meeting and a black man walked in, the majority of people at the meeting would agree that the black man had no rights and that they had the right to harm the black man but the black man would disagree. Who would actually be correct? Did the Klu Klux Clan actually have the right to harm the black man because the majority believed it and because there were racist laws in existence that allowed them to justify their actions in their heads? 

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@meno ·
Yes Jim, we don't disagree.

But again we know this today, they didn't know better back then.

Using a different example.  If we judged let's say Socrates for thinking the earth is flat, we would be unfair. The knowledge of the time was what he had at his disposal. We would not call him crazy or delusional. We know the truth now.

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