RE: The Pros and Cons of Capitalism, and how to move forward by rieki

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· @rieki · (edited)
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> "this conversation is literally the most important thing that we can be discussing for the future of our world."

Couldn't agree more! Thank you for your contribution to this :) Now for the fun part!

>"and probably a lot better store of value over the medium term (our lifetime)"

This is actually a source of the problem and why I see the evolution towards cryptocurrency, not as a life-bringing revolution but an evolution of our destructive system.  [more on that here](https://steemit.com/money/@rieki/why-you-want-to-have-a-currency-that-is-taxed-guaranteed-to-change-your-mind-and-possibly-life-in-5-minutes-or-your-steem-back)

Also, a design for a new currency [ONC](https://steemit.com/money/@rieki/onc-a-new-coin-for-a-new-society-a-solution-for-ubi-decentralization-and-ecological-destruction-all-addressed-in-one-coin)

>"My one simple idea here would be to recommend that a course in basic personal finance, in the old school style where savings and investment was good and borrowing and owing was bad, would be required in every school in the world."

Please don't do this. This is exactly opposite of anything that I would recommend. Saving is hoarding, investment is destruction through mandated growth. The only way for the money system to continue to grow is to continue to convert our world and our interactions into money. This is not something that I would want for my kids or for the future of humanity.

>"Are the proper values being instilled through our educational systems and families?"

'By their fruits you shall know them.' Well, what fruits has our culture brought? I would say not.

>"Here we see, very clearly, the system is not broken; people have worked very hard to make it produce a broken outcome."

I say this often. The system is not broken. In fact, no system is broken. A system is a system and the outcome of that system is the outcome of that system. Now, if the outcome is something qualitatively undesirable then it means the system needs to change. Our system has worked tremendously well at creating mass amounts of money for those who have the greatest leverage to perpetuate the system. I would say that they believe the system is working (on one level) though on a more human and joy bringing level, they system does not work for them either. They experience depression, isolation, fear, greed, and pain in just as much quantity if not more than the average person. So, I believe, on a qualitative level, the system doesn't work for very many...  

>"War breaks our system. Its as simple as that. Stop warring. Stop destroying." 
 
Actually, war maintains our system! Our system would have broken long ago if it weren't for war (war is what brought us out of the great depression after all, and why we have stayed at war ever since).  Our system over-produces and as you pointed out, scarcity is necessary to not only secure profit but to motivate a workforce. In order to create scarcity in a system of over-production, it is necessary to destroy the surplus, though poison and war!    

What is your proposition for a solution?

Mine is to create a new model from the grassroots up.  A model that can be applied today within our present system and requires no massive restructuring of society to implement. I don't know if you have seen my introduction to this proposed society, but I would love your input on it! 

[Our NeighbourGood](https://steemit.com/libertarian/@rieki/introducing-exclusively-on-steem-our-neighbourgood-on-intentionally-creating-societies-designed-for-the-21st-century-and-beyond)
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@ecoinstant ·
Im thrilled at how this conversation is going!

I have checked out your articles on ONC and Our NeighborhoodGood, been through them twice and will probably have to read them a few more times.

Many of your ideas are not far off from things I have thought about applying in my own sustainability efforts, although as a whole it might go a bit beyond what I have ever imagined.

I have many thoughts!  The first of which is that I would like to participate, for now that means we get to keep talking.

I'll leave this thought:  there is always work to be done in social services.  If ON is successful, people will come.  They might even try to take, depending on the conditions of outside societies.

A great need will be had educating, processing, integrating and training new people, cast-offs from a failed society that are not in a position to make a capital or human investment upfront.  

What if a homeless person came?  Would they be welcome?

Also, on its face, it seems that starting is a big step.  What are some pre-steps that can get us closer to taking that first step of investing all our worldy goods into a single geographic location?

To connect worldwide ON groups, we need an intranet.  Hopefully loaded with all the knowledge of the ages, and lots about permaculture and sustainable building too.  I have pdfs to donate!

Blessings!
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@rieki · (edited)
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>"Im thrilled at how this conversation is going!"

Likewise :)

> "A great need will be had educating, processing, integrating and training new people, cast-offs from a failed society that are not in a position to make a capital or human investment upfront."

Absolutely!! In fact, this is the mission behind The HEART Collaborative (THC). THC is 501c3 U.S. based non-profit that will be operating alongside the first ON. Its mission is to transition people (physically, spiritually, mentally) into a state of being best suited for their personal lives. It does this first by operating in an ON which would provide the environment to facilitate this transformation. Second, it facilitates the transition through various tools and techniques designed to clear us of our previous beliefs and get us back to a clean slate to build from. If this transformation results in a desire to join ON they would have the opportunity to set one up, and THC would be involved in grouping and training (in the organizational and social systems) ON cohorts.  

"What if a homeless person came? Would they be welcome?"

As stated in the 10 forms of capital. Everyone has some form of capital they can offer, even if it is just time. I will actually do an entire post dedicated to how ON can properly eradicate poverty! The heart of any successful ON would be diversity. A diversity of capital in people. A homeless person would be more eager to invest more time into the project to meet their needs and flourish than a millionaire would be, the beauty of ON is how it is able to equitably pair these two through collaborative capital exchange contracts. Maintaining diversity is paramount which is why ON's aren't individually all-inclusive, but as a whole (as more ON's develop) there will be an ON where someone would find it best suited for them. If they don't find an existing match, then they are part of a new one to be created! Though, it is an essential process that THC will have to do to help people unlearn many of our limiting and destructive beliefs, lest we bring them into these new projects. The ON governmental and organizational system also promotes positive attributes and aids the transition. 

>"What are some pre-steps that can get us closer to taking that first step of investing all our worldly goods into a single geographic location?" 

To answer this question effectively, would require a personalized response as there is no broad answer. This would depend on one's knowledge base (to recommend knowledge that would be effective) or spiritual base (to recommend practices that would prepare one for this new society) etc. So, are you asking for yourself? In which case, why would you consider it a big step?

>"Hopefully loaded with all the knowledge of the ages, and lots about permaculture and sustainable building too. I have pdfs to donate!"

Fantastic! Fortunately, there are many projects dedicated to connecting similar transitioning projects! An ON-specific intranet would be created when it is necessary to do so (once there becomes multiple projects)!  Until then we can utilize the wealth of knowledge and resources already available online. I would recommend Numundo and OneCommunityGlobal and IC.org as resources to build off of until we the time comes. Much of the intranet of ON would consist of government/community/organizational matters which is where the real magic of ON exists. Not in the infrastructure aspect that is so amazingly demonstrated by various organizations already :)

>"I'll leave this thought: there is always work to be done in social services. If ON is successful, people will come. They might even try to take, depending on the conditions of outside societies."

The goal of ON is to be able to provide wealth and abundance to its members to free up our time to be able to create, share and give freely! Collaborating with the local population is not only in our best interest (security-wise as you mention) but will also be an exciting opportunity to help share some of our successes with others. If there is an at-risk area where an ON is located its success would encourage others to join. In which case stealing is unnecessary as those who are in need can just group together and do the same; as everything ON does is open source and freely given, so others can readily duplicate.  

>"I have many thoughts! The first of which is that I would like to participate, for now that means we get to keep talking."

It is a collaboration! let's keep talking :)
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