RE: ~~Staking~~ Stating The Obvious by battleaxe

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· @battleaxe ·
Patrick needs imho to be doing some updates,  it's causing issues to just be a bunch of peeps being like 'what now?'
Burning excess is huge,  am more than down for many things but nobody is at the effn helm most of the time and then the bandaid is to have refs.  REFS ARE NOT HERE TO RUN SOMEONE ELSES BUSINESS AND TAKE THE WORK LOAD AND CRAP FOR IT EITHER.  :)

This biz model or subject is gonna get taken up on things like SMT's and Voice, fast , realllly fast imho op/ed  
Hell, let it go lord of the flies...this isn't worth enough to have a damn gaf fest on when it's on something others made that's laggy as hell with how much room to dev Dev things? What happens when SMT's come and a lot are locked in 9 months...  
Being more worried about effin 60 bucks of ad revenue then other stuff is green horn as fuck
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@dzboston33 ·
I'd be down to burn, having nobody at the helm a lot of time is awful though.
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@battleaxe · (edited)
unless you have a brokers license and are in crypto dispensing financial advice aint' really any of our departments,   this is not insured by anything and is at best on a laggy steem clone thing , 
yeah nobody at the helm
  ,  so let's keep telling people to stake, that's fine if you want to,  I don't and won't and would be the biggest staker on here if i thought there was any type of organized system on a ton of stuff that numerous people have tried to address.  Nor does nobody at the helm mean that whoever gives the most shit coins out become Captain, in that case I could put on a hat or so could a ton others,  dipping in with a message every few weeks and leaving it in the hands of refs is stale.
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@cryptoandsports ·
Patrick knows what he is doing and don't believe everything you read.
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@haikubot ·
<em>Patrick knows what he 
Is doing and don't believe 
Everything you read. 
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@patrickulrich ·
What do you mean by what now? I'm interested what that expectation is. I'd also be interested to why you want someone at the helm of a decentralized movement. The goal here is to remove even myself from being the force behind #sportstalk and instead serve to make Steem the home for everyone interested in talking about sporting content.

As for the referees they are not being asked to run a business. They are being asked to moderate the content under #sportstalk for abuse. I don't know when I've asked more from any of the referees. That being said they are paid for this responsibility as you mentioned above with an equivalent of 5% of token inflation. This has to date been paid from @sportsprojects rather than additional inflation. This is serving to lower the print inflation and distributing existing funds for uses without expanded printing.

While the community coming together to downvote posts is a great aspect to see it's not something that is sustainable to fight abuse. This was made evident early on which was why the focus on building a successful referee team has been the largest focus thus far. It is required to make sure that little abuses that would often be overlooked don't let the community die by a thousand little cuts. Instead the community can focus on aligning rewards based on what is actually valuable to them while referees go after the abusers. This is equivalent to the model that Steem has benefited from by supporting @steemcleaners.

When it was clear early on that abuse was going to overtake quality content without successful moderation I reached out to an existing referee to begin operating @sportsmod.  They done an amazing job fighting off numbers of abusers and keeping the community's focus tied strongly to sporting content but it was far too much to ask of one person. Not only that but leaving one person's point of view was far too centralized in my opinion. 

That's when work on the referee project began. This took the concept of a moderation account but allowed the account to be controlled by a group that was forced to gain consensus. This solved the problem of one person's voice being the only voice determining what spam was.

This still left a major problem as pointed out by users when the community guidelines was announced. I was requiring the community to only trust in my determination for who could perform this role. That's lead to work on the future of the referee system which will put SPORTS stakeholders in complete control over who the referees serving are.
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