RE: Why I won’t be compromising with Justin Sun by crypto.piotr

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· @crypto.piotr ·
Thank you for taking the time to reply @blocktrades. I very much appreciate it.

Indeed, emotions are very high since Justin purchased STINC. 

> It's definitely not the majority of people I know, it's pretty much the opposite.

The truth is that we all usually attract people who have similar opinion. And those who disagree usually keep quiet to avoid being downvoted. 

I've actually troubled myself and asked over 100 users about their opinion and hardly anyone wanted to take side. Most would like to see some agreement happening and it's not true that majority of people want that conflict to escalate. But this is just my opinion and indeed - we disagree here.

> Like you, they seem to believe that Justin actually has plans for this chain

That's the thing. I never said that. Hoping that witnesses will find a way to work with major stakeholder doesn't mean it. I do agree with you, that he doesn't have any plan for this chain. However at the same time it seem to be very obvious that witnesses and some "whales" declared war against justin from day 0. Amount of insults and hostile comments towards him has been very strong since very beginning. And I strongly believe that things could be played out very differently. 

Unfortunatelly, we're past that stage already. Witnesses used their enormous influence to escalate and "WIN" this conflict and promote narrative "us versus him". 

Good friend of mine said lately, that trying to figure out who started a fight and who escalated is like "egg and chicken" problem. 

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> Describing Justin Sun as a marketing guru at this point is just pretty funny to me. He's revealed here just how bad he is at real marketing.

Could be. I presume I was wrong. Surely you know more about it than I do.

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> He's been fighting for token-based control of the blockchain, without ever realizing that the value of this chain is the community that supports it

I sometimes wonder how many witnesses or large stakeholders share your belief. How many of them see value in the community.

I've been here for over 2 years and I kind of never received any support to me or [managed by me community/hive](https://steemit.com/trending/hive-175254). Neither did anyone I know. I can only hope that current conflict will change large stakeholders mindset and they will indeed start seeing some value in communities and start supporting quality content creators (outside their circles).

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Either way we are where we are and let's assume that this new chain would go live. Bringing any value at all to this new chain may be very difficult. 

> But overall value should be about the same as before in this case, because I don't see Justin supporting Steem in any meaningful way for very long. So I expect Steem value will go towards zero quickly after the airdrop of Hive, and value will migrate to Hive coin as most of the users will migrate there. 

My impression is , that only those who would decide to burn some of their STEEM should receive aidropped new tokens. If you will airdop them to everyone (just like PAL token did), then this token will have zero value (just like PAL token did). 

Hoping that majority of people will not take opportunity to dump newly airdropped token is kind of wishful thinking. 

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> But I haven't heard a single argument from you yet that explains why you think this one can't be won, or a plausible strategy for how he will fight back against our plan. I've written an entire post with reasons why it will be won. So to convince me otherwise, I need to hear concrete reasons beyond "marketing guru".
> And if your other reason why you think this conflict cannot be won is "Justin's wealthy"

It's not about wealth. Like you said - it's about communities. And businesses. And investors. Uncertainty and conflicts are always huge killers.

Surely from your point of view this conflict may be won. However like I said - all I can think of is tons of "dead bodies" and destruction that will take place. Winning a conflict by simply making someone else lose more - it's not a victory. 

I brought example of trade war to show where am I standing in that particular matter. US think they will win. China believes that they will break Us. But at the end of the day millions will suffer and one party will simply lose more than other one. Will it be a victory to celebrate? 

Anyway, things went already to far and I absolutely wish you all the best. 

Thank you again for your mature and polite reply. 
Yours, Piotr
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@clixmoney ·
@crypto.piotr i also understand you. We fighted so long time for steem and now we are asked just to move. I still think that if we push harder we can vote for more 7 witnesses to chain steem itself. We have already 10 in the top. The last month was for steemians the most active in twitter to spread the truth about steem and to make people vote for witnesses. I don't want that to ge like that for nothing. Maybe we should say in the old chain and maybe other witnesses will win Justin. I don't really know. Being a minnow and a little guy in the game, I prefer to stay in both chains to support those who will stay.
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