Viewing a response to: @julienbh/re-dragosroua-re-julienbh-steem-supply-is-mining-using-your-browser-20171107t192511691z
Something is either true or not. When I believe it's not true, I just state it. I don't see any arrogance here. I didn't say you lied, you may have been mislead or didn't see all the facts and that may have lead to claims that aren't true. Again, _I didn't say you lied_, I said what you stated is not true and I gave you all the details to support my position. Claiming I put the warning on after you posted this is ridiculous. I invite you to try the code on any site and see if you can deactivate that warning. > Also the fact people are reacting means they probably never saw it too!) There are about 10-15 comments from people who are upset about this. On average, steem.supply gets between 300 and 450 unique users per day. I don't know how many of them overlap with the 377 who saw this post, according to the post stats, but I think the ratio falls around the normal number of people who either don't see all the warnings, or don't know what is going on but feel like having an opinion on everything. This doesn't mean in any way that I don't respect them, but way too many times some people are jumping too fast to conclusions without hearing all the facts, it's just human nature, I guess. What makes me really sad is that this post has been used by a witness that I respect, @ausbitbank as a platform to promote his own similar service, by accepting and supporting your claims without verifying them, or without hearing my position about it. I respect his hard work and I've been knowing him on the platform for quite some time. I'm really looking forward to hear his opinion on this, after he reads my answer. It will be such a pity if he doesn't say anything. Again and again: there is a privacy note, and I'm not stealing anything nor doing anything that is unethical. I appreciate your approach, by asking if this is ethical or not. And I gave you all the answers. Hope this clears things out.
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>Claiming I put the warning on after you posted this is ridiculous. I invite you to try the code on any site and see if you can deactivate that warning. Never said that BTW. I just don't see your warning and never saw it. I'm at work right now with 3 colleagues that don't see it either. Inspect and verify please. It could even be the publisher's fault (maybe an update in their javascript code stopped showing the warning??)
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> The popup never showed for me, **maybe because I went to your website before you put it** and the cookie was badly set? Or just a badly place html element. Ok, I will contact them, they're quite responsive. Will also publish a post about this tomorrow (it's evening here now).
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I don't see the popup either, but I've got a blocker running by default, so would only see it if I bother to go look at what my blocker has blocked (which I tend not to do with no reason). Having a manual link to the disclosure notice may be a possibly solution so that the information is easily accessible to anyone, even if they're running a blocker, so they can't just say 'but it didn't show for me'.
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@dragosroua posted here two months ago stating he was using a browser miner on steem.supply to mine JSEcoin. https://steemit.com/news/@dragosroua/jsecoin-mining-crypto-currencies-in-or-with-your-browser
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Thank you!
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Here's their answer. If you want to contribute to the discussion, feel free to post on their forums: ![Screen Shot 2017-11-08 at 10.45.41 AM.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmamc2SsfDzBY6ScCiT8hV7sVUVu1nhoeko1DtNTyMGidA/Screen%20Shot%202017-11-08%20at%2010.45.41%20AM.png))
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> What makes me really sad is that this post has been used by a witness that I respect, @ausbitbank as a platform to promote his own similar service, by accepting and supporting your claims without verifying them, or without hearing my position about it. - I DID verify the claims myself before I resteemed this post. Anyone can with 2 minutes and firefox/chrome dev tools. - Promoting my old tool was an afterthought, its was just a simple clean alternative with no banner ads or hidden miners on it so I have no real incentive to promote it. Like I said before I completely stopped updating the tool and have been actively pushing people towards steem.supply for months now (which is why I'm extra dissapointed to discover a miner) . - As I said to you on steemit.chat , no popup like you pictured ever appeared for me in debian firefox - and after re-checking your site I see a small footer that hides itself after a while. - The only jsecoin mention I can find from you was <a href="https://steemit.com/news/@dragosroua/jsecoin-mining-crypto-currencies-in-or-with-your-browser">2 months ago</a>, and it isn't mentioned in your steem.supply update posts at all. - I also spotted another <a href="https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@themarkymark/ufc-fight-pass-caught-secretly-mining-cryptocurrency-on-their-paid-service">similar posts</a>, and you hadn't responded there either. *Regardless of how well you announced your intention to hijack your users processor time for your own profit* - I don't want to see this sort of crap installed on tools that a heap of steemians use daily. The argument that its not traded on an exchange, therefore its not money really doesn't work for me.
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> and after re-checking your site I see a small footer that hides itself after a while. so it is unethical or not? A simple "yes" or " no" will suffice. > Promoting my old tool was an afterthought in order to obtain why? > Regardless of how well you announced your intention to hijack your users processor time for your own profit - I don't want to see this sort of crap installed on tools that a heap of steemians use daily. I hijack my users processors for my own profit? Do we really have a discussion about that? What is the difference between "hijacking users processors" for testing a decentralized cryptocurrency with a great potential, and "hijacking users processors" with poorly coded sites or, even worse, with Google Analytics, Facebook Stats or Twitter SDKs, that are silently profiling users habits into data that is then sold to advertisers for billions? Who is the bad guy here? In the Steemit chat you also said to me that if you could un-steem your post you would do it, I assume you wrote that after you wrote this comment. It's sad to see this divisive approach and accusations without proof, in an emerging ecosystem like Steemit. It's very easy to destroy the reputation of a person with a few unfounded but plausible accusations.
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> it is unethical or not? A simple "yes" or " no" will suffice. Yes. > in order to obtain why? (?) To give the users complaining about your tool an alternative option they may not have been aware of. > I hijack my users processors for my own profit? 1000% yes, no matter how you try and spin this you cannot avoid this fact. > What is the difference between "hijacking users processors" for testing a decentralized cryptocurrency with a great potential, and "hijacking users processors" with poorly coded sites or, even worse, with Google Analytics, Facebook Stats or Twitter SDKs, that are silently profiling users habits into data that is then sold to advertisers for billions? I'm not having this debate, I despise both equally. > In the Steemit chat you also said to me that if you could un-steem your post you would do it, I assume you wrote that after you wrote this comment. I responded on chat first and I have nothing to hide or defend here. Here's my initial chat response for others, since your implying I'm being manipulative to make you look bad when in reality I'm just bluntly calling out what I see as shitty behaviour. > I hadn't seen the warning at all, and it never showed a popup like you pictured in your comment for me (in debian firefox ) , but I do see the footer now. If I could un-resteem I would, but I still don't think it's really kosher to be pushing cpu miners regardless of how much warnings were given.. > It's sad to see this divisive approach and accusations without proof The proof is in the post and on your site still, you definately did put a crypto miner on your site and I make no apologies for letting people know about it, since you did a terrible job making this clear. > It's very easy to destroy the reputation of a person with a few unfounded but plausible accusations. 100% provable fact. I agree, reps are fragile so stop trying to spin this fail, remove the crapware and we can move on. I've enjoyed our past interactions and I respect what you've done as a witness right up till this. I'm not going to debate the merits of course mining or advertising or shitcoins with you, believe what you want. I've shared the warning and I won't use the site anymore myself, sorted.
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