RE: Some thoughts on voting and bots by gyzimo

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· @gyzimo ·
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@reggaemuffin its really to bad to see what happend with minnowbooster. I hope you guys can recover and continue to help the minnow around here. 

Now that said i do have to point something out.. You said there were many complaints filed you never saw but, myself for example i spoken to "Locke" & "furious-one" on your Discord server like 2 weeks ago or some. 

I had pointed out my concerns to the whitelist idea, and also told that this could possibly be a death trap for the project.  I explained why, and i gave some tips.  But I had the feeling already that my input felt on death ears. 

If you did not received any word of my conversation in your Discord server, then i would suggest you to talk to your team because, i saw many many .... many people complain, about this new idea but also about the values on the website that nearly always are not right. 

Now about reward pool rape.. No totally disagree with that because the money involved daily in booster / upvote bots is so minute together, they dont even take 1% of the reward pool.  

I agree with @reggaemuffin that these bot actually help on getting people noticed, but i see it as a little reward for those minnow that take their time to be active on this platform. Lets face it, nearly all youtube videos speak over the possible earnings of over 100$ in the first month, and we all know that is not the case for most people. 

Most of the new minnows don't even get 5 cent on a blog post and thats not really encouraging for them. Booster like MB are helping them to get that encouragement to keep blogging.  And we need those minnows also if this platform wants to be sustainable for a long,  long time to go. Many other front ends will pop up and also many good onces, we have to keep Steemit interesting for everyone and destroying projects like this is not a stable nor great approach to do it.

But we are facing 2 problems in Steemit. The system Steemit is based upon mimics the same flaws from society as the rich get rich and the poor get nothing... And MB is taking a cut from the rich so this whole fiasco was to be expected. 

Other thing is... Value..  if someone posts a picture and you don't like it that does not mean the picture is not of value, because it will be for others.  I thought this platform was here (DECENTRALIZED) were people could express them as they want to be expressed, blog what they want to blog without being suppressed. THAT THE WHOLE MEANING OF IT AIN'T IT !!   and if you find the info offensive you can flag the post. 

But what happens now is that flagging is also used for if people disagree with you. They can not win the argument but they will be able to silence you as they are richer. THIS IS WRONG MAN. You flag for racism, hate, violence but not for a disagreement. And if you think a post is of less value, then just don't look at it and let those that do see value upvote it.

But the thing that is really wrong right now is the fact that we have these downvote armies. I get it and appreciate those that want to protect this platform, but if we are going to have situations were 1 person disagrees and because of his bot with 100s of account connected to it downvote you and, instantly destroying projects like this ? Then we have a real problem as i already saw a few projects hitting the breaks afraid now to start. 

Again i can get.. we need to protect something beautiful. But it feels like Steemit is becoming a police state slowly bit by bit because of these things.. And believe it or not, to much of this regulation will prevent new companies and projects for investing in Steemit as their future can be in the hands of just 1 person / downvote bot. 

All these cleaning projects every were "Much respect for it seriously" but, are looking like little local police stations all not working together and with different philosophies.  First of do not become emotional but downvote objectively. and 2nd off come together and as a whole platform decide what we would like and not like to see on Steemit. 
Then enforce that and don't deviate from that agreement.

Because we all TOGETHER can make Steemit a great again ;) hehe
But with all good intentions, we are taking the wrong approach now !!


@reggaemuffin Keep up the good work even in hard times. The whitelist complete PR stunt was a disaster, but i also have a feeling you did not got informed at all about what happend all in the background.  I can atleast bring you a little up to speed for what i know so if interested then my name on Discord = (  @Gizmo#5057  ). 

God speed man to everyone!  Let's hope after these incidents Steemit will change for the better goods !.
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@enchantedspirit · (edited)
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I agree with everything you've written here.  The "whitelist" is the worst idea I have heard in decades -- and if @minnowbooster intends to continue with it, they should at least rename themselves @dolphinbooster ... because there is nothing "minnow-boosting" about their service now.

AFAIC, the "old" @minnowbooster was one of the best features for helping minnows on Steemit ... and now they've gone and ruined it -- after weeks / months of changing their rules / conditions / terms of use almost daily.  Keeping up with that got to be a real grind ... and now minnows that don't have a spare $100 to throw at them are basically out in the cold.   

There are numerous ways the "visibility" problem for minnows could be addressed -- but developers don't seem much interested in that.  For a while (possibly a very short while) @minnowbooster was about the ONLY way open to newcomers here, helping them build their accounts and gain some traction.  I hope they reverse this "whitelist" decision -- although they don't seem to be in any rush to make that choice either.

I love @reggaemuffin and I don't know how much he had to do with this change in @minnowbooster's direction.  I'm hoping it was just not thought through well ... or that it was done behind his back somehow.  This is not the mindset of the person I thought he was.    I definitely think he deserves to be paid for the work he does.    Frankly, I don't think *anyone* should be required to "work for free,* especially the bloggers who put in lots of time and effort to create what they offer. 

Seeing 4 word comments rate $60+ dollars each from a 1 vote click (which I have seen with my own eyes) ... is vastly demoralizing.   So was the guy who for a little while would drop by my posts, bang out a 4 word comment, UV his comment for $.20+ ... but not upvote my post ... and move on to complete his round of 10 such actions a day.  Maybe even that got to be too much work for him.  He hasn't been by in a while.

I don't thnk flag wars are the answer either, but that's what we're left with.  You work with what you have.  Sadly, we don't have @minnowbooster on our side any longer ... so that's one less resource we can count on ... and quickly becoming one less reason to invest a lot of hope / time / energy / work in Steemit.

Just my 2c worth here this afternoon.    Thank you for saying it all @gyzimo
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