RE: Using the fingerprint Model of MEOS for Steem? by redpossum

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· @redpossum ·
Came here at suggestion of @quillfire to read about biometrics, read it twice, and still got no fucking clue what you're trying to say...

I gave you an upvote anyhow, for what little that counts for coming from me, but can't honestly say I am any the wiser.
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@lauch3d · (edited)
well, then of course, you can ask any question to clear things up but a basic understanding of how private keys in crypto work is necessary. Otherwise, the take-home message is: **biometric login is not the same as biometric tracking.** People said they would never use biometrics for logging in into Steemit *"because they don´t want their biometrical data to be stored"* but this is non-informed BS. 

biometrics are a password-substitute and the password is as safe as a normal password/input is. Your password is not stored openly anywhere, your fingerprint is not saved openly anywhere.

But besides of ease of use, the main reason to use biometrics is to identify unique users and to tell them apart from bots and multiple accounts. This will prevent all the abuse issues we have right now.

and when you master to identify unique users you can utilize democratic voting instead of plutocratic voting. Right now votes on proposals are stake weighted, so one rich idiot with bad intents can counter 1000 votes with good intents regarding the future of the platform. And the value of a platform is directly dependent on the number of happy users, therefore decisions should be made in the interest of the users/customers and not single wales. 

Thanks for upvote
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@redpossum · (edited)
Yes, I understand all the functional advantages, and I'm 110% onboard with that idea. I came here to learn about the actual **hardware**. How will this biohoohah login work when I connect with my PC? It sounds like I'm going to have to buy some expensive peripheral device.

Once upon a time, there was this thing called a dongle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle
Second paragraph, where it talks about their initial use as a hardware solution to DRM.

In order for this idea to work and be secure, it's going to have to be prohibitively expensive. And for that reason alone, I don't think this solution is going to be practical.

And as for my "basic understanding of how private keys in crypto work", I believe I learned the fundamentals of that when PGP was new back in the 1990's. Ahem.
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@wikitextbot ·
<b>Dongle</b>
A dongle is a small piece of computer hardware that connects to a port on another device to provide it with additional functionality, or enable a pass-through to such a device that adds functionality.In computing, the term was initially synonymous with software protection dongles—a form of hardware digital rights management where a piece of software will only operate if a specified dongle—which typically contains a license key or some other cryptographic protection mechanism—is plugged into the computer while it is running.
The term has since been applied to other forms of devices with a similar form factor, such as adapters that convert ports to handle different types of connectors (such as DVI to VGA for displays, USB to serial connection, and in modern computing, USB-C to other types of ports, and Mobile High-Definition Link), USB wireless adapters for standards such as Bluetooth and Wi-Fi (the term "stick" or "key" is more commonly used to describe USB flash drives, as well as modern forms of dongles with slimmer form factors more akin to flash drives), and small form-factor digital media players that plug into HDMI ports.
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@lauch3d ·
great! I guess you and your computer are not representative for the mass of users. Many devices out there are equipt with secure-enclave. It doesn't necessarily has to be your finger-ID. Face lock can also serve as input.

secure enclave processor is a standard used for apple and android os phones. It is a processor completely seperate from the application processor. The input device: your fingersensor, your face-ID camera is hardwired to the secure enclave processor (SEP). 

The SEC itself is embedded in its own periphery a random number generator, a crypto-engine and so on. The few inputs it shares with the main stuf (the SoC) are filtered by a special mailbox.

 ![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcAbmyzCVbYKoW9Q5eDrBwc1zrLuv77pwhtBPX4tTQ5nr/image.png)

A sensor costs around 2-7 dollars, but as I said they are already built in newer smart devices like smartphones, laptops, smart cards and probably smart home/IoT devices.  Mass adoption on social Media means 13-30 year olds, my pc doesn't have that hardware either but most people around me do. A USB-Stick probably is a solution and works the same as a hardware wallet. They have also a separate processor which never comes in touch with the Internet.
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@movingman ·
Thanks for writing this out! 

There are some that wont use it because of the direction we are heading into of *having* to do this with biometrics and the intergration of the IOT and the smart grid, and afterall with the soon launching of 5G (which will definatly be the slow endgame) that nobody talks about, oh and then humanoids, hmm I think we have no idea what we are getting into. 

Be damed if I will be going online every day when 5G is rolled out worldwide hahahahaa

Ist auch mal shoen zum deutsch lesen und errineren!
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@lauch3d ·
danke für den Kommentar :)!

And your completely right. 

The direction will be maybe interrupted by a world-economic-crises. This will throw us back a few years. But this technical evolution including 5G can't be stopped. The information gathering beast craves for information throughput.
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