RE: My version of Steem is NOT content based, It is Contribution based. by revo

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steem · @revo · Dec 30 '17

$5.38

Honestly, I just couldn't will myself past the following:

>When you get rewarded by the Steem blockchain for your contribution the amount earned should not be in any ways related to the intrinsic value of the content produced

It seems so ridiculously absolute. I strongly disagree.

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👎 transisto

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@revo · Dec 30 '17 (edited)

$0.08

Since my comment has got some significant upvotes, I figure I should flesh that out a bit. First and foremost (IMO) steem is a social media concept. The thing that fascinated me most about the place/blockchain when I first heard about it was the alternative paradigm. That is, instead of the usuals like Facebook/Medium/etc where YOU create content but THEY generate income from it, here you get rewarded for the content you create. First and foremost, I think that is and rightly should be the single most important identifying feature of the steem blockchain (via the various front ends). And in that regard, I think it is entirely appropriate that rewards at least in some ways reflect the quality of the content.

The other part of the platform here is the blockchain itself and the crypto aspects of it. I think these are valid points of distinction that deserve focus and warrant the attention of at least some part of the community to help prosper. But to hold that every person on the platform must put the specific interests of the blockchain itself first before any consideration to their own rewards, is too rigid a view IMO. And this idea that I've seen taking hold in comments around the place lately that there's something inherently bad about a member only focusing on a very narrow selection of other users, is kind of authoritarian in my opinion. I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, so I don't expect that we should necessarily be free to award an unlimited increasing amount of rewards to any one individual. But I don't see it as inherently bad, as some comments are getting close to expounding. I think it can be problematic in some circumstances, and that the first recourse to dealing with it should be a community awareness campaign to attempt to more fairly spread some of the wealth if warranted.

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@wallysalman · Dec 30 '17

$4.30

That's an interesting take. 

Maybe it isn't quality. I've noticed that content range from insightful to BS but the ones that receive the most interactions are what's presented nicely. 

I, for example, haven't been the best at presenting whatever I've written. This has made me slowly learn basic coding for formatting (Maybe it's less than basic) and making the content presentable. 

Very superficial but humans have developed a need for beauty. Feed it.

👍 gentlebot, revo, joshpeterson, ralleur

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@schoonercreek · Dec 30 '17

Absolutely agree!

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@joshpeterson · Dec 30 '17 (edited)

$0.09

>That is, instead of the usuals like Facebook/Medium/etc where YOU create content but THEY generate income from it, here you get rewarded for the content you create. First and foremost, I think that is and rightly should be the single most important identifying feature of the steem blockchain (via the various front ends). And in that regard, I think it is entirely appropriate that rewards at least in some ways reflect the quality of the content.

No, quality is just as subjective as value. Yes, you can create external metrics for it, but someone created those metrics based on a system of values. Steem(it) is a social network. You get rewarded for the content you create if the community finds value in it. Steemit isn't like a job where you get paid for work. It's an entirely different system. The trick, like any creative endeavor, is to build up a community around your work that values similar things as you do. 

Also, Medium pays writers who are part of it's Partner Program, which I am a part of. The problem with that model, in my view, is that the content that pays is behind a metered paywall, and they're not very transparent about how payouts work (at least when I first experimented with it). That's why I like Steem - the blockchain allows you to see what's going on under the hood, so to speak.

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@revo · Dec 31 '17

Quality being subjective doesn't change what I said in any way.  Your argument could be used against @transistos approach of rewarding the subjective "what's best for the platform".

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@transisto · Dec 30 '17

$428.18

If you take away copyrights law how do you monetize content? Content data stored on a decentralized blockchain carries a cost to everyone holding Steem.

So if I were to think in absolute I'd say content on it's own has a negative value.

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@revo · Dec 31 '17

Care to explain your downvote?

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@transisto · Jan 10 '18

$338.16

Explanation for high upvote : https://steemit.com/steem/@transisto/temporarily-pausing-my-anti-abuse-efforts-while-sbd-is-off-the-chart

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@revo · Dec 31 '17 (edited)

Downvote from @transisto.  Doesn't like someone disagreeing with him.  Pretty much sums up the ethic of his side of the argument over the last few weeks.

👍 arthur.grafo

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@morningtundra · Dec 31 '17

Isn’t a downvote a legitimate expression of their disagreement? Nobody is obligated to elaborate on their opinion.

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@revo · Dec 31 '17

It's generally held that a downvote is best used as as flagging feature for offensive comments, spam, and wildly inaccurate information. Of course, one can pick their own reasons for flagging, but without any explanation from him I'm free to speculate why he's doing it, particularly based on his past behaviour.

👍 arthur.grafo

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@relationtrip · Dec 31 '17

Thanks for that,  exactly my thinking...

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