RE: Proposal to make spam less profitable by rudyardcatling

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· @rudyardcatling · (edited)
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you would basically wreck initiatives like @steembasicincome where people in the hundreds maybe thousands have invested in by doing that, and a lot more, it would prevent small fry from getting anything and fat fish power would be reinforced, i would urge you to reconsider alienating thousands or i have no clue how many people from developing market countries are on

but maybe you don't want them ?

i dont know, it sound VERY elitist and unfriendly @timcliff

you can wreck me if you like, you sure have the power but stuff like that would wreck it for countless people anyway

please reconsider and try getting some pov from people who dont come into it with a ton of cash because some of you people are starting to sound like enlightened despots and content nazis

my 2 cents (cos that's all i have) ... actually my account is about $200 so in order for my vote to be payable i would need ten times that according to your proposal

thats about half of what i get in a year ... 

fyi

![whoareyoutodecide.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmQExaDrgdx66HwsmcTy49vafnSMZws497UKnFnoSBrJDg/whoareyoutodecide.png)

to think i actually have a vote on you and then have to read THIS ?

i know i probably come on hard because people are *scared* to talk back to someone who can basically checkmate them in 3 or less but take the message,not the words please ... what you propose basically removes all income for 99% of what's on my feed, and thats not 99% spam, far from, i have no idea how many initiatives like @steembasicincome are trying to lift off but i can do the math without numbers , they would have to give back all steem they received as investment, which they can't do because it's locked in sp, and all votes they diss out (who are already at minimal or below current treshold) would be worthless, everybody screwed, the number of members is somewhere in the faq or sheets, they keep open books, all distrobots starting out would be wrecked, and everyone who simply doesnt have money to start or promote would be wrecked on content that (and it barely ever does without promotion at start) doesnt meet the required treshold.

i do urge you, to consider viewpoints from several kinds of people before making proposals like that, Tim

think about it

don't want your vote, dont want your downvote, i want to do this, but with all i hear going on the best thing i could do ? is withdraw everything rightnow because at my monetary level i couldnt if any of that is instated

i understand how annoying it is to get 200 replies that go "nice post, pls upvote k thx" but there's a mute button, there's NOT a block button yet btw (that would help to ward off people who flag on topic because *they* think its inappropriate or "not steemit") two buttons that prevent different comms from getting in each others face and allow communities to stick to their own content within a larger universe, nothing more complex than that and also

you can have an auto-hide by default setting which people can imply on posts that are only relevant to those who search by primary tag

eg primary tag "wonderlandAB00xyz" gives the subfolder to a community, everyone who looks for it can see it, but autohidden posts don't show in general feed (the mains ones that is) , that can't be too hard to incorporate, im not a pro coder but all the mechanics are there, it just needs  a checkbox

and that, my dear and good friend, is imo , a WAY better solution than opression, which will gain you alienated people and face it, if you run for mayor , that will get you enemies :)

for your kind consideration

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@timcliff ·
There have already been a lot of comments like this. I have responded to them, which you are welcome to read.

TLDR: message received :)
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@rudyardcatling · (edited)
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i have a nasty habit of shooting first and asking questions later ... not everyone can deal with that heheh ... me included sometimes,
i can imagine and i have read and seen by now (and someone told me too lol) , well glad you understand the initial shock, and glad to see a bit of reasoning put it into perspective, good luck

...(edit) i also have a nasty habit of posting and replying in several times because there's always something i forgot or i got interrupted, i am one force of chaos alas.

So .. i think, i *personally* still think the 'hidden communities' - voluntary hidden or selective viewable post should be a solution to take a whole load of stress off, not off the network ofcourse, but of the people who are bothered by the fact that it's on their screen and maybe already have muted 100 accounts or so and get tired of it (b/c otherwise i think the mute button is a great tool, and a block button would be even better, neither of it is censorship, its more like walling off your community and prevent invasion from people who wont like in the first place but keep coming back to tell you they don't and for some reason think what they want is what you should want) voluntary hiding making visible only by primary hashtag (pardon me if you lot use different words, im by no means a teamplaya or pro-coder) so it can be easily found by both people and bots for instance keeps it from sight. Out of sight out of mind, one step closer to world peace and diverse communities within one bigger universe. A bubble universe (the only kind that works if you ask me since we can *not* all get along ... thats clear by the year 2018 , isn't it?)
As for the network load, im afraid is that is an issue it is one you will have to face anyway sooner or later as the chain expands together with the number of accounts, i mean facebook has one billion plus, so go figure what if this thing here doesnt just take off, but takes over, it wont come down to spam because due to moores law being broken for years now (as good as) its inevitable if it cant be solved without reducing actual number of transactions (and volume i suppose) .. new compression methods ? i don't know

i'm not ray kurzweil, not satoshi nakamoto and if i code a bit i have to look up the syntax while googling lol

there we are (in case you havent read, i think this concludes ... if i type something its probably best to come back the next day to see what it's become)

thank you for your kind consideration
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