RE: Proposal to make spam less profitable by tarazkp

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· @tarazkp ·
Have you had a close look at my blog? Have you gone back to the start? Do you see the rewards that go to the hundreds of minnow who *do* engage well on my account? None of them would be affected by this proposal because they engage well and don't spam. I can only speak for myself but, if people actually put the effort I do into this place into their work, they would likely do very well *in time*. It is an investment isn't it? Investments have a cost and their is no guarantee of return. 

>The engagement rates on steemit are abysmal and you propose to tax it (thus lowering it still).

Again, drop by my blog. Engagement rates are abysmal for many reasons, one of them is because of Spam posts, spam comments, spam bots that add no value to the system but do extract some. 

>I have a proposal for you guys with 70+ rep and 10k+ SP: make an account not traceable back to you, and start posting and engaging with people here. You'll stop with this silly proposals.

I have a few dozen people I have brought onto the platform and helped, some do quite well now. This is a social media isn't it? It is about being *social* and engaging with the community. None of them spammed to get their start. If people come in and expect to spam for reward without engaging in the community, should they earn?

It takes work to earn here and that work is going to increase as more and more come onto the platform. If one wants to treat it like facebook, do not expect earnings. 

Because their is only upside to acting like an ass here, there are a lot of people acting like asses. What you call a silly proposal is work towards real solutions and trials in the early stages of a startup. 

So now, What is *your* suggestion to stop spam posts and comments?
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@beat-the-bookies ·
$0.10
I appreciate your reply. Thanks for not ignoring me.

>Do you see the rewards that go to the hundreds of minnow who do engage well on my account? None of them would be affected by this proposal because they engage well and don't spam.

I see where you're coming from. You see the small fish on your account engaging meaningfully and getting properly rewarded for it.  Props to you for taking care of your community, but most of us are not on your blog engaging with you. Our interests lie elsewhere and I don't appreciate the proposals that will damage my community. 

Try to see a perspective of somebody who's not following the big accounts here, somebody who's interested in a *niche* topic that sports betting is. There are no big accounts there, and the most members have less than 0.01 vote. What's worse, the nature of the beast is such that great essays, photo travel logs, recipes and such are not to be found (no chance to get @curie reward or to be featured by @ocd). 

The most valuable content a member of our community can produce is the tip. Which outcome to bet on. We don't care for 2000+ words essays, we care about the profitability of your tips. Now, you may call the content we produce to be not worthy of the reward, but I can say the same thing for the umpteenth artsy fartsy post by someone well versed in the gentle art of kissing up to the whales.

Should we all drop what we are doing and line up for the crumbs the big accounts are bestowing upon us? Screw that!

Every proposal that discourages the engagement is beyond silly - it is suicidal. With the eos around the corner and the panic that will ensue here, the last thing needed is to piss on the small guys just because the big ones are tired of seeing spam.

>So now, What is your suggestion to stop spam posts and comments?

Whack-a-Mole. Do as I and report the spam to the steemcleaners when you encounter it. It takes time to get an account here, and mere seconds to get it flagged to death by them. The solution we have works well enough.

Don't fight a relatively minor problem this platform has by solutions that would kill it completely. If the solutions the two of you proposed are to be implemented the steemit is done for.

See the numbers in the reports that @paulag is making. Spam is not this platform's problem. Dead accounts and meager engagement are.
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@tarazkp ·
>Thanks for not ignoring me.

Besides spam that i will generally flag, my ignoring is usually oversight. 

>Our interests lie elsewhere and I don't appreciate the proposals that will damage my community.

This is a big part of it. You have your community but you might be missing the community nodes who can support it. 

>Try to see a perspective of somebody who's not following the big accounts here, somebody who's interested in a niche topic that sports betting is.

This goes to my previous point, it needs more nodes but, those nodes need to be built outside of the niche  (or people buy in) and spread wider. There isn't enough diversity of distribution here but, that is because of the infancy of the system. 

> What's worse, the nature of the beast is such that great essays, photo travel logs, recipes and such are not to be found (no chance to get @curie reward or to be featured by @ocd).

The seem to focus on great essays but for example, @acidyo who runs @ocd also runs this kind of thing:
https://steemit.com/sfpl/@acidyo/steem-fantasy-premier-league-gameweek-34-review-and-match-prediction-game

>The most valuable content a member of our community can produce is the tip. Which outcome to bet on. We don't care for 2000+ words essays, we care about the profitability of your tips. Now, you may call the content we produce to be not worthy of the reward, but I can say the same thing for the umpteenth artsy fartsy post by someone well versed in the gentle art of kissing up to the whales.

As you said, it is a niche and if there is not the value in your niche to support at the level you want, you have to go wider. Do you think that writing 1000+ word posts is a lucrative business model that people just naturally love to engage with?

>Should we all drop what we are doing and line up for the crumbs the big accounts are bestowing upon us? Screw that!

You can do what you want here but, don't have expectations on reward as there are no guarantees.

>Whack-a-Mole. Do as I and report the spam to the steemcleaners when you encounter it. It takes time to get an account here, and mere seconds to get it flagged to death by them. The solution we have works well enough.

you should ask @patrice about the work to combat spam and plagiarism. 

>See the numbers in the reports that @paulag is making. Spam is not this platform's problem. Dead accounts and meager engagement are.

There are many issues here, the dead accounts aren't necessarily truly dead or, may never have lived to begin with. People come in with expectations of quick rewards and a week or two later are burned out. Not much of an investment. 

As said, this proposal is *just that* a proposal but again, I ask, what is *your* solution to your problem?
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@beat-the-bookies ·
$0.17
>Besides spam that i will generally flag, my ignoring is usually oversight.

Getting ignored when you're a small account is a rather common experience. So, thanks again for not being a jerk.

>As said, this proposal is just that a proposal but again, I ask, what is your solution to your problem?

I'm generally happy with the platform as it is. I've met through it some interesting people around the world and I don't have unrealistic expectations regarding my *earnings* here. 

I see it on a daily basis that even my puny $0.01 upvote has a positive reaction and gets the ones who receive it to engage more and invest into producing content. Yours and @timcliff's proposals are a problem for me. They'll make my engagement here harder or in the case of latter completely meaningless. 

All I ask is to take into consideration the guys like me when you make the proposals to change this platform. If we succeed and help even smaller account than we are to succeed, you guys will be millionaires. If you kill us off, you'll end up seeing STEEM having  the same price as DOGE.
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@freebornangel ·
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>There isn't enough diversity of distribution here but, that is because of the infancy of the system.

And this feature insures that there never will be.

Too many features here rely on the insiders finding bigger fools to buy in rather than to actually encourage sustainable growth.
This is very telling of who the golden boys are as well as the mindset of  those that create them.
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@freebornangel · (edited)
So our voiรงe is only valuable once blessed by a golden boy?

Bring back the n(something) and a 100mv vote cap until we get enough users to slowly raise the cap.
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@happyme ·
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> I have a few dozen people I have brought onto the platform **and helped** (bolding added by me).

EXACTLY!
New users NEED to be helped, otherwise they are totally LOST among the vote-buying bots and other gimmicks. I'm finally out of the dust stage and made it into the minnow category, yet even after a year of working hard and honorable, I don't have 1,000 SP despite putting everything I earn into SP. The way the system works, the more users that come on-board, the harder it is for the new users to earn anything at all. Putting greater barriers on the new users is not the way to grow the platform. Without those helpful votes from dolphins and whales, it is pretty much hopeless to start from nothing at this point in time. I've had a few random big votes or curation trails land on my posts and let me tell you; it's like winning a lottery!

Please don't stop at helping only your friends, but spread some love around, because the platform desperately needs that now. There is no reason why Steem couldn't be a real currency already in use, except for the mindset of those in control.
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@omitaylor ·
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Another point, most new users won't have built in mentorship. To have empathy, you must experience it for yourself to the point of feeling it first hand.
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@happyme ·
My point exactly.
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@omitaylor ·
And what do you propose for all the new users that downloaded the Steepshot App from the appstore?
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@krischik ·
Your account is more then a year old. Times where different then. Times where different six month ago. Voting power for plankton is on a decrease.

> the hundreds of minnow 

And what about the plankton? 

> very well in time. 

that in time is getting longer and probably exponentially. I don't think you can reach dolphin in one year any more. Heck you are now hard pressed to become minnow in a year. 
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