RE: Making SPAM fighting on Steem into a game of skill by the-gorilla

Viewing a response to: @cmp2020/r648cx

steemexclusive · @the-gorilla · Jan 23 '22

$0.13

>  For instance, you and I have both discussed someone on this blockchain committing borderline abuse for months, and milking the system of thousands of SBD in rewards, but that actor's post are so realistic (likely written by AI) that whether or not it's abuse is not 100 percent clear. 

I'd be interested in knowing which user you're referring to - it sounds a lot like a few I've caught in the past that were translating content from Chinese or Russian sources.  Their content was perfect.  Consistently posting something deep and insightful every single day - the kind of quality that an individual would not be able to think of on a daily basis, devoid of any personal touches at all.

👍 remlaps1, remlaps, cmp2020, remlaps-lite

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@cmp2020 · Jan 24 '22

$0.10

I asked @remlaps to respond, but we've noticed a number of accounts that have grossed nearly 100,000 SBD with content that is posted daily, but is not interactive whatsoever, and makes sense, but is not incredibly meaningful. The same large stakeholder votes for each of these accounts, and we are suspicious that they are using ai to generate the articles, and milking the rewards using their stake.

👍 remlaps1, remlaps, remlaps-lite

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@remlaps · Jan 24 '22

$0.07

I don't want to type the users in a way that's searchable, but some of them are listed in screen shots here: [Using TrufflePig for potential abuse detection - Human curation needed - Multiple $1,000s in rewards at stake](/@remlaps-lite/using-trufflepig-for-potential-abuse-detection-human-curation-needed-multiple-usd1-000s-in-rewards-at-stake).  Others are easily identifiable in the recurring "*Today's Truffle Picks*" reports from @trufflepig (before it stopped running).

Using data from steemdb.io, in December or so, I built a PowerBI report on 14 of the  accounts that were identified by *trufflepig*, and it appears that the accounts collected about 91k SBD in rewards from March 2021 through January 2022.  (No idea how many other similar accounts might be out there)


![image.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaA8uecnLj5MLNxFzzK68Qmg42cZ3vuVpwXBALw4h4Ntz/image.png)


I was thinking the posts were AI-generated (more recently I've been seeing ads for something called [Jarvis](https://www.jasper.ai/)), but I guess they could also be language translations.

👍 the-gorilla, cmp2020

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@the-gorilla · Jan 25 '22 (edited)

$0.11

Ah, I know the lot.  I investigated them some time ago and couldn't find the original source.  There are often clues within edited posts (i.e. why did they edit it) and there were very few posts that had been edited (which is suspicious in itself).  What I did notice is that one of the edits was correcting some grammar - so somebody who (I believe to be)  fluent in English had read it after it had been published.  

The other edits often removed a quotation mark (") as the first and last character of the post.  So whatever tool had been used to translate or create the post wraps it in quotes.

Looks like I looked into them on 12th April last year - 12 accounts at the time.

I have no doubt though that it's not authentic content and believe that this account holds the key - 


![image.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaJvKpzjGJHupxxrj19oE2p3hKnobK1YnLwMGb1avXEgA/image.png)

The content was genuine at the start, written by a guy from Pakistan and then it changed completely - like it was being run by somebody completely different.

👍 remlaps1, remlaps, remlaps-lite

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@the-gorilla · Jan 25 '22

$0.11

![image.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmctw1v24eyrEvGRG1EptddmbfDQWzF5y8zg8RKAost1Nx/image.png)


This is the most interesting post.  If you find it, put the URL into https://www.steemcryptic.me/ and see what the original version was.  This is the only post that I came across that was significantly different and I've never spent the time working out why. Maybe I'll spend that time now - not that much can be done against this kind of upvoting power.

👍 remlaps1, remlaps, remlaps-lite

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@remlaps · Jan 25 '22

$0.05

That is interesting.  I searched Google for a deleted series of words inside quotes and didn't find any matches.  The reason for the changes isn't obvious to me.

The timing of their first post and the facts that the recovery account is blocktrades and they were originally posting from SteemPeak reinforces my suspicion about where the funds might be getting directed, although it's mainly just speculation.  (I was posting from Steempeak around that time, too, so these are very weak lines of evidence. ;-)

On a separate note, we also have the brute force method... roughly 950 SP and 110 SBD in the last week. 

![image.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRaoSP2aDxGctqwM6wtTzXQc9Ads2fCo9FFHvk8cX5p7G/image.png)

👍 the-gorilla

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