RE: Vilifying Bots by algimantas

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steemit · @algimantas · Jul 30 '16

@dantheman so you are against bots or you with them? Because i don't think it cool to get 50 up-votes in 1 min no matter what's inside while some have to work their ass to make a good post worth of 50 up-votes. Not talking about the weight of up-vote just a general up-vote what means a person read your job and likes it.

👍 algimantas

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@mammon · Jul 30 '16 (edited)

4 weeks ago steemit  algorithm has been updated solving problem with autovoters. In a nutshell:
• If you vote immediately after a post is submitted: The voter gets almost zero, the author gets nearly 100%.
• If you vote 15 minutes after a post has been submitted: The voter gets 50% of the curation reward, and the author gets the other 50%.
• If you vote 30 minutes (or later) after a post is submitted: The voter gets 100% of the curation reward.
Bot owners had not yet realized the greatness of what had happened lol :-)

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@ntomaino · Jul 30 '16

i didn't realize this, thanks!

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@patrice · Jul 31 '16 (edited)

Some of us humans without bots took a bit to figure it out.

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@williambanks · Jul 31 '16

Which is why we know for a fact that the current generation of bots are just strays.
People running them would have updated for that.  But instead the swarm just keeps increasing.

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@dana-edwards · Jul 30 '16

I see nothing wrong with auto-voting as long as the bots are well designed. For example, curators don't have enough attention to review in detail every post on this site. So you either have stuff which gets missed entirely or you have to live with auto-voting in some form.

But auto-voting doesn't have to be dumb. An auto-vote bot can vote up any content which has good grammar for example. Or any content which cites it's sources so as not to plagiarize for example. Or any content which posts up unique images which haven't been posted on Steemit previously for example.

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@naomi-louise · Jul 30 '16

I agree.  Just a view simple rules can go a long way.

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@patrice · Jul 31 '16

I see your point. I'm just not sure if I agree. It would be good if each bot was unique. There would be a limited number of them. But would Steemit then have 10 bots that upvote based on grammar,  8 on unique images, etc? 

Some bots could still be problematic. If you had a bot (or bots) upvoting unique images for example, Steemit could be flooded with users posting images before they figure out the bots vote is being diluted.  Some wouldn't care and continue to spam with new images.

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@williambanks · Jul 31 '16

@patrice It's not steem that would be owning the bots.  It's the owners that would own them.  The bots would be voting based on the same criteria that the owner would be.

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@stellabelle · Jul 31 '16

"But auto-voting doesn't have to be dumb". I like your line of thinking.

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@williambanks · Jul 31 '16

@calva upvote

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@patrice · Jul 30 '16

For me it's a bit discouraging to get 40 upvotes in the first minute I post only to realize that no one even read it! I made a suggestion recently about inline images and thought people actually liked the idea until I looked at the voters. 

Yes, there will be times we'll get upvotes from humans that haven't read a post either but I think it's less likely.

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@williambanks · Jul 31 '16

@patrice That's why I only look at commentary myself.  Votes are fun, but talking with people and being social is the real name of this game.

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