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Creating Liberty Island: My Perspective on Steemit
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**People think I’m a small whale. But I’m just a ship at sea. Guess what I’ve found?** 

*Note:* This article is dedicated to @tuck-fheman, who asked me (in a comment to one of my posts) how one legally can live beyond government control. I am a former lawyer who distrusts government, so I decided to take on the task of researching this from a certain perspective. I hope this article provides a partial answer to Tuck’s question!

And yes, I did pay @donkeypong on his recent article (at least partly so far in BTC). He can vote, but is still locked out of his wallet. He gets credit for helping me on this article, too!

## Creating Liberty Island: My Perspective on Steemit

**By Richard Kaplan, @steemship** 
	
Let’s say you don’t like your government very much. It’s oppressive. It tries to control everything. It has its hands everywhere, from taxes to marriage licenses to building permits. Large corporations are no better. The ultra-rich (aside from a few who truly care about a better world) are bleeding the working class dry and turning the economy into their personal ATM machine. 

There’s no upward mobility anymore, no middle class, no chance to get ahead. The people who control government don’t want you to get ahead. And the people who control money don’t want to share it. All of them want to control your life.  

# Time to get away? Where would you go? 

## Option 1: Run for the hills

You can live in a typical nation and simply refuse to recognize its government. Living your life, you can do what the government tells you to do and complain about it (live under the radar). Or you can be a rebel: refuse to pay taxes, obey laws, or conform to authority. There are individuals and communities who live in dissent, but the fear of government enforcement and prosecution is always very real. 

## Option 2: Move to a Foreign Country with a “Hands Off” Government

The second possibility is to live in a country with a laissez-faire, do-nothing government. Some of them have low taxes and are relatively “hands off” in their approach to regulating peoples’ lives. Certain offshore money havens meet this description, and others have expressly catered to expat communities, whether these are libertarians, retirees, or artists. 

These governments’ motivations for allowing people to live free are probably “money first” rather than any ideal of liberty. Maybe that isn’t a deal breaker, but when government power changes hands, what then? When the country needs something from powerful world governments, will they apply economic or political pressure that forces internal changes? In the end, this may be a better option that # 1 above, but it is not reliably secure in the long run either.

![ll](http://i.imgsafe.org/0d6245713f.jpg)

### Option 3: Buy or Claim an Island or Disputed Area

Third, you can buy an island or assert rights over one, but there aren’t many islands in the world that are outside the territorial jurisdiction of a government. Fishing rights and offshore oil and gas rights are so valuable that we have seen multiple countries sparring over some bleak rocks in the middle of an ocean. The Spratly Islands in the South China Sea, for example, have islands and rocks and waters that are claimed by China, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei. There are many other examples of disputed islands and other lands around the world.

In 1971, a Libertarian millionaire named Michael Oliver led a group to claim land in the Minerva Reefs in the South Pacific. He and his group (later called the Phoenix Foundation) tried to erect a platform on a reef that normally sat one meter (three feet) under water at high tide. They hired barges to carry sand in from Australia, attempting to create permanent dry land for their Republic of Minerva. They published a Declaration of Independence, elected a president, and created their own currency. 

Other countries in the region were not happy. Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Tonga, Nauru, Samoa, and the Cook Islands territory held a conference. They urged Tonga (the nearest country) to submit a claim of sovereignty over the Minerva Reefs, which Tonga did. Tonga’s claim was recognized by the other nations of the region. The Republic of Minerva project collapsed. Oliver’s Phoenix Foundation later made other attempts on Abaco Island in the Bahamas and in Vanuatu. 

There are other examples of people claiming open or contested territory in order to establish a country. In 2015, a Czech activist named Vit Jedlicka founded the micronation of Liberland. Liberland has an ongoing claim to a parcel of land on the banks of the Danube River on the disputed border between Croatia and Serbia. This is a fascinating experiment, because there is a solid historical argument that neither of the neighboring countries owns this land. But because Croatia exercises some control over it, the Croatian police have stopped and detained the Liberland founder and anyone else who attempts to land a boat on the parcel of land. 

There have been some other attempts to claim land for these purposes as well. All of them generally rub up against countries that are larger and have the military capability to enforce their will. 

## Option 4: Taking over an existing country with a nonviolent coup and instituting your own government (or lack of one) there

There are many advantages to taking over an existing country and building one’s vision there. In terms of international law, most coups and changes of government are tolerated, even if large powers are not too happy about. Governments change all the time. 

A country that changes its government (by election or by coup) still retains most of what it has achieved in the international community. This might include UN membership, domestic banks that participate in the international monetary system, and trade agreements with other countries. You can slam any of these as being incompatible with your own world view, but some of these features provide benefits to the country’s private sector as well as whichever government it has (even if it has none). 

If you were starting a government or even some non-government cooperative from scratch, it would take decades to build up these kinds of agreements and benefits. The country’s functional economy may depend very heavily on loan guarantees and stable trade agreements with foreign partners. Over time, you could change these if you wanted, but by taking over a country that already has established such links, your work would be much, much easier than if you had just planted a flag on an uninhabited rock in the middle of the ocean.

If you plan to stage any coups, I would never advocate a violent one. Some countries are small enough that you might be able to charter a cruise ship and fill it with nonviolent soldiers, land it there, and take over the place in a matter of hours. Get on the TV and Internet there, promise the people they are “free to do as they damn well please” (to quote the former president of the Republic of Minerva), and maybe you’ll force enough of a crisis that the old government gives up.  

But the problem here is the same as with Option 3. Stronger governments take an interest. And they have militaries to enforce their will. 

Case in point: Bob Denard, a French foreign agent and mercenary who sometimes acted in France’s interests and sometimes in his own. Denard, also known under his aliases of Gilbert Bourgeaud and Said Mustapha Mahdjoub, was responsible for four separate coup attempts in the Comoros Islands (the Comoros is a sovereign country on an island chain in the Indian Ocean off the East Coast of Africa). He staged one of the coup attempts using inflatable boats and launched another from the back of a bicycle. 

Denard was an interesting character. He was born a Catholic, then converted to Judaism, then to Islam, and back to Catholicism again. He was polygamously married seven times. Besides staging four coup attempts in the Comoros, Denard participated in many more rebellions, civil wars, coup attempts, plots, and assassination attempts in Morocco, Rhodesia, Yemen, Iran, Nigeria, Benin, Gabon, Angola, and Zaire. He also was convicted of an assassination plot against a French politician. 
 	
As colorful as Denard was, he also provides a good cautionary tale about staging a coup in one’s own interests. His fourth coup attempt in the Comoros, in 1995, was somewhat successful until the French government turned against him. The following text is taken from Wikipedia’s entry for *Operation Kaskari*, which was Bob Denard’s name for the fourth coup attempt: 

*Denard and 33 hand-picked mercenaries docked their ship, Vulcain, at Moroni harbour and descended on the city, forcibly removing the figures of the official government before the ill-equipped army was aware. The invaders had been stowing away on Vulcain for more than a month, and were greeted at their arrival by vans supplied by the relatives of former president Ahmed Abdallah.*

*The French authorities had some advance notice of the coup, as they had before. But unlike Denard's previous coups, the French government opposed the mercenaries and denounced Denard. Knowing this, Denard's first priority was to prevent the likely counter-coup from his homeland. In addition to political pacification measures, such as forming a civilian government, Denard also tried to recreate the 500-strong presidential guard that he had led after his second coup (1978–1989). Denard's popularity during the early 1980s enabled him to mobilise 300 supporters within five days and place them around ports and airports, where they would be most effective to ambush French invaders with submachine guns.*
*France had advance knowledge of the coup, but refrained from preventative measures until after it had occurred. As news of the coup came, the French government denounced Denard and his mercenaries. Knowing what they would encounter on the islands, the French did not pursue their extreme numerical advantage, instead handing control to the Special Operations Command. Eventually, 400 marines and 200 other special operations experts began cruising the Indian Ocean in patrol boats and a frigate, with superior logisticians and helicopters in tow.*

*The specialists encircled (his) barracks in the early hours of the 5th of October, and Denard was arrested and flown to a Parisian jail.*

![de](http://i.imgsafe.org/0d61e27eae.jpg)

Lesson: As with the Republic of Minerva and Liberland examples, powerful countries do not take kindly to their interests being threatened. Their interests apparently include minor rocks in the ocean or swampland that no one pays much attention to at other times. Sooner or later, they will assert their control. As long as they have a near-monopoly on force through their military and police, this will be the case. 

## Option 5: Colonize Outer Space

Hmmm. We’re not quite there yet. 

## Option 6: Move Much of Your Activity Beyond Their Reach

Aha! What do I see ahead? My Steemship is nearing an island. Oh my goodness, look at that spout of steem! Are those whales underneath, holding it up? 

Not for long, the way that island is growing. It’s called Steemit. And they say that in time, the whales will continue their journey. This island will be floating on its own power in no time!

The last possibility is to go on living as you normally would (or try one of the other options above), but also move as much of your activity as possible to a space that is beyond government control. 

This is the Island of Liberty that Dan and Ned have created with Steemit. It’s a virtual island. Once the world of Steem is fully functioning, there will be virtual marketplaces and exchanges that ensure you can get most of what you need without ever having to use fiat currency or support governments. 

Some people wonder why there are so many different currency tokens in Steemit. Why doesn’t Steemit use real dollars instead of Steem Dollars? Why have Steem Dollars AND Steem? What is Steem Power good for? 

If you need to understand these currencies better, I strongly recommend the following article by @donkeypong since it has a good explanation. The Steemit 101 e-book that’s on Amazon (which I co-wrote) has a good overview of the currencies also. https://steemit.com/steemit/@donkeypong/still-confused-by-steem-steem-dollars-and-steem-power-the-power-plant-analogy 

Steem Power is like preferred stock that vests, like a Certificate of Deposit, or like a savings account. It produces a higher yield than STEEM, meant to combat inflation. Steem Dollars are something like a savings account also in that holding them entitles you to the equivalent of 10% interest. They double as a relatively price stable currency in which everyone is paid (at least partly, since the rest is in Steem Power). And Steem is the most liquid of them all with the benefits and volatility of a cryptocurrency. 

When you transfer and exchange out of Steem or Steem Dollars, you are leaving the island. 

Here, my point is that these currencies put Steem’s entire economic system beyond the reach of many governments. It’s all one ecosystem, and from one perspective, if you never cash out your Steem currency tokens into fiat currency (such as U.S. Dollars), then perhaps you will not need to declare it or pay taxes on it. Don’t take my word on that; research the laws of your country or jurisdiction. But there has been some history of tolerance towards online gaming ecosystems and their tokens. 

Laws can always change. They can be extended to cover new technologies. Countries can step up enforcement beyond the limits of their laws. And they can act arbitrarily and capriciously. But the stronger the island, the better its chances. 

What a grand experiment! Steemit Island is a pretty good place to be. It’s as free and as safe as anything, and the more people who find it, the more it can establish itself as a bastion of freedom. 

I think I’ll sail my ship around the cape there and head for this friendly harbor. Let me tie up for a while and help these people build their island. The view from the hill on top is extraordinary. 

-Peace, Richard, @steemship

![i](http://i.imgsafe.org/0d7476bdbd.jpg)

#steemit
#liberty

References: 

NYT obituary on Bob Denard: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/world/europe/16denard.html?_r=0

Wikipedia on Phoenix Foundation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Foundation

Wikipedia on Operation Azalee (Kaskari), source of long quote above): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Azalee

Denard’s 1995 coup attempt: http://www.mercenary-wars.net/comoros/denard-1995.html

US News & World Report re: Liberland: http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2015/05/09/microstate-tax-haven-in-the-balkans-not-that-easy

Wikipedia on Liberland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
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@joshuanboles ·
I'm all about this. It's like Gary Johnson and Richard Branson had a baby that was an island. #VivaLaSteemRevolution
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I would like to advise you, at the beginning of the article, to make a paragraph with short content, you can attract more people. It is difficult to read. Also how difficult is it to read my messages ;)
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@jonnyrock3t ·
Great article. This is exactly why i joined and love this site. Thank you!
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@slocum ·
Nice read - upvote!
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@glib ·
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For those curious, Step 6 is known as Agorism in the anarchy community.  So if you see that term, you know what they're talking about!
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@gubbes ·
Nice whale picture and impressive research and explanation. Side effect of rewards is quality. Thank you.
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@maximkichev ·
Hello! Nice to meet you here, @steemship
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@ladypenelope1 ·
really enjoyed reading this post and your take on Island Steemit....i am so glad that I too have boarded the 'steemship' ....
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@willbeonceagain8 ·
After so long being at the mercey of the greedy banking elite, we now have a sense of freedom , a light at the end of the tunnel and a tool to wield against them , exciting times indeed. nice post , up voted
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@positive ·
Damn you got there before me haha!

Nice article. How about just funding political campaigns for now?
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@busser ·
I like Option 5. Outer space is great. Maybe, Elon Musk will offer something?
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@biophil ·
$0.47
I love reading about these things, even though I'm not much of a revolutionary myself. Have fun storming the castle! :)

If you like what I say, check out my series on [game theory](https://steemit.com/gametheory/@biophil/what-s-a-minnow-to-do-the-game-theory-of-steem-part-4).
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@steemship ·
Your articles are terrific. Sorry I missed the chance to vote on those. I will look for more from you in the future.
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@biophil ·
No worries! My timing was bad with Part 4 - I posted it right when a bunch of whales were locked out of their accounts. I'll holler at you when the next ones go up!
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@infovore ·
I agree. I loved the part 3 post.
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@arwani-wawan ·
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@steemgrindr ·
Option 6 sounds like the best option since I can't afford my own island yet :(
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@nippel66 ·
Great threat.
Good reading stuff.
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@teddy-greget ·
Wow this amazing
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@gabbans ·
great story.is like the other saying ,like a big fish in the small pond
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@oneyesoneno ·
<b>Steemit Quotes Of The Day - 
Do Your Very Best. What You Plant, Will Be Harvest Later!</b>

<img src="https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fpwsaq1BI9k/V5C2eifNsqI/AAAAAAAALFo/txzXyEBhX4o5GQF_UYEs1m7SugQezDjKQCLcB/s1600/steemitsecondgif-by-oneyesoneno-1.gif" width="620" height="252"/>

#steemitquotes
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@steemit-life ·
Beautiful! Well I love steemit because you get compensated for your freedom of speech...& that's a very disruptive thing:)
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@infovore · (edited)
$1.99
Splendid! I never saw this revolutionary platform from this perspective. More reasons to believe that all efforts put into Steemit will be multiplied exponentially in the future.

A great read. Best thing I've read today. Besides, you're still a small whale. One with a ship. ;)

Obligatory personal note: @tuck-fheman is a legend. LOL.
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@tuck-fheman ·
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@thedashguy ·
Best thing ive read all week. Easily.
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@elargroup ·
Similar to SP, SMD tokens cannot be purchased directly on an external exchange. SMD are primarily earned through contributing but can be purchased by converting STEEM tokens to SMD tokens.

Actually Steem Dollars can now purchased on external exchanges !
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_sbd
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-SBD

PS Abbreviation of SBD = Steem Backed Dollars
or just SD = Steem Dollars (not SMD please edit)
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@spookypooky ·
Looks pretty great and all, but the last part of the  story kind of loses its reach.

How is Steemit going to help me or keep me safe when the government in country X wants to lock me up? Untill I can upload myself to the blockchain, I fear this is not a solution, but rather, a circlejerk of those who like Steemit.
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@hastla ·
This are stories what should earn the 20k - not that crap what your whale collegues (in my eyes you are one too) are upvoting... lol. It was one of the best things I have ever read here on Steemit. 

As you are (what I would call) a whale, may I ask you for some feedback or statement on the actual upcoming spam topic and editorial work? I wrote an article today and need some statement from "valueable" voters (aka whales) on that topic.

https://steemit.com/money/@hastla/why-whales-and-dolphins-have-to-start-work-for-steemit-or-lose-their-whole-investment
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@giostar · (edited)
You ll be a super whale soon @steemship enjoyed the article and the references-  for once some original content #thisishowitsdone

From all the plankton - thank you 

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@senseiteekay ·
As a lawyer, could I please get your opinion on my Copyright related post, please. It's a quick read but having a lawyer's perspective would definitely help. I feel it's a potentially huge legal issue waiting to happen.
https://steemit.com/money/@senseiteekay/steemit-and-potential-copyright-violations

Thanks in advance.
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@bitcointop ·
I love the social network Steemit !
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@ashleymk ·
Me too <3
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@sgnsteems ·
Steem  will help many people buy their own islands ;) but like you mentioned the safest and cheapest is #steemit!  Your choices make the conclusion easy to see!
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@bhokor ·
I really enjoyed your article, in my opinion best idea is to create a cibercountry withthousands of nodes in multiples countries something like torrent or emule network, it would be unbeatable, or send an small satellite to space with a server inside.
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@satch ·
You can always capture  anti-aircraft sea platform and proclaim it a sovereign country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
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@piramida ·
Yes, surprising that the only long running autonomous nation was not mentioned in the OP. Most of the others ended badly, with either military or bandits taking over shortly. Go Sealand :)
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@pedro-rios ·
Good one, that encourages more people to write about these topics! my up vote is given to you!
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@pedro-rios ·
I am following you now, you inspire me!
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@warrensteem ·
wow good read, quite a long post i must add. This must have taken you quite some time, thanks for putting in all the effort. Every good post makes steemit a more interesting place.
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@illidans ·
I think see the mother of free willy :O
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@tuck-fheman ·
Great article, thanks!
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@magix ·
https://media.giphy.com/media/pDMZ6d6Qwexig/giphy.gif
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@alexgr ·
The problem with their "reach" is that they control the cryptocurrency chokepoints (conversion to fiat in exchanges / bank wires, etc). This is still a problem and might get worse in the future.
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@pulpably ·
Applause, applause! This is gold. Thank you.
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@marsresident ·
Here is an Archive of Cryptocurrency App building Code on Github for anyone creating a Steemit app
https://steemit.com/steem/@marsresident/github-cryptocurrency-app-creation-archive
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@gekko ·
I'm reading about Liberland very closely for years, I hope that future a reality and maybe many of us know each other in person in this place 8]
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@piramida ·
For years? It was started last year; and frankly there ain't much to see as no one was allowed there. So it's just a swampy abandoned piece of land that would either be part of Croatia or underwater soon.
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@gekko ·
Vít Jedlička had the idea late 2014 and proclaimed the micronation last year my friend, 
regardless of that, all that is progress is worthy of at least be observed 8]
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@azurejasper ·
Wow wow wow 
What a read!
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@ashleymk ·
Love the idea of keeping the currency on the island and being able to share human made products and services with people on Steemit. Considering this possibility could become true shortly what kind of things would people here now have to contribute for exchange?
 I offer English (American)  reading lessons  to children and adults. My husband takes on story board projects, please visit his web site Dwanart.com.  Let me know if you are interested.
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@delord ·
WOW! Nice man! Do more
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@phanie90 ·
I am pleased to read the article that you created
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@shla-rafia ·
To have your residency in one countty, your business in anorher and your bank too somewhere else then you can live more free too.
Never did it kust read abouz it.
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@nioctib ·
The best STEEMIT links in 1 Place
https://steemit.com/steem/@nioctib/best-steemit-links
thanks
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@elargroup ·
Similar to SP, SMD tokens cannot be purchased directly on an external exchange. SMD are primarily earned through contributing but can be purchased by converting STEEM tokens to SMD tokens.

Actually Steem Dollars can now purchased on external exchanges !
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_sbd
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-SBD

PS Abbreviation of SBD = Steem Backed Dollars
or just SD = Steem Dollars (not SMD please edit)
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@jaysanz ·
Man!  Real Freedom is hard to pursue!
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@jlwkolb ·
Bravo! May we all find this island and be free -
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@bonapartegodard ·
It's been a long time I'm thinking of this. You put words into my thougths. Great article! You get all my support!
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@margot ·
I love the article.... It express the natural desire of every human being  to create great value and to live life exercising freedom on multiple levels. Superb content. Congratulation for having this great gift of exploring the topic with such a great passion and engagement. I know I am going to repeat myself, but I love it :)
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@boomboom ·
$0.55
Hey steemship  I love your whale photo.  I think you missed one very important option.  Option 7 - Own your mind. Create from your desire and live a free life, anywhere.
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@marco555 ·
https://steemit.com/liberty/@marco555/the-imminent-tax-on-crypto-thoughts-evidence-and-opinions
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@rok-sivante ·
I'm hoping you'll be sharing more in the future regarding taxation issues, given your existing knowledge & experience in the legal field.

@dan had recommended reading the [How are you calculating taxes on Steem income](https://steemit.com/steem/@taxman/how-are-you-calculating-taxes-on-steem-income) article on the topic - though the whole thing boggles my mind, as is one I'd greatly appreciate your continued insight into as Steemit grows. 

a heated topic for sure, and it's great to have someone with your expertise in the community to help us navigate these legal dimensions.

keep up the good work... ;-)
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@willbed ·
$0.10
Hi @steemship !

It's rather interesting to see a guy who claims to be a former lawyer doing a post about living beyond government control... If you are indeed honest and really care about good honest hard working men and women to not be victims of that corrupt system, I'd be curious to hear what you'd have to say about this, as it does seem reasonable to believe that, as a former lawyer, you'd be able to answer the following question :

Considering that it seems to be TRUE that a person is a legal entity, a tool, that's created by the state, after a man or woman baby started living, without his/her consent, for that man or woman to use and/or exist and/or be abused, in the commercial / legal / public debt slavery world ;

And considering that it still seems to be TRUE that every man or woman has the right to his/her person's surety/security, as recognized by any charter of rights, pretty much everywhere in the world ;

And considering that it still seems to be TRUE that a surety/security has everything to do with the performance of an obligation vs a debt ;
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surety
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/security

And considering that a signature is proof of surety, and that my signature doesn't appear anywhere on the person's birth certificate ;

I'D LIKE TO KNOW : 

Is it TRUE that public debts and/or charges addressed and/or brought up against a person, can be discharged by that person's surety/security ? 
YES or NO ?

Also, is it TRUE that the words "This note is legal tender", written on USD notes, mean that these notes are an offer for law, and that any person using those dollars is deemed to have accepted the fact that all government acts, codes and statutes apply ? YES or NO ?

And is that part of what "the consent of the governed" is based on ?

And finally, can you disclose what it is, that an attorney actually attorns ?

Thanks a lot ! 
I'm pretty confident many will be awaiting your answers to those questions ;)
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@petedaoust ·
This is an excellent question. But, as a former LAWYER, this guy won't answer this question, he PROMISED not to reveal any of this stuff......his only choice is to LIE.
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@willbed ·
@steemship, is that TRUE, what @petedaoust just said ???
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@kentbarrett ·
A most excellent question, indeed. However, as Pete points out, he will not give a straight answer. Because Law Society. It's like the Hotel California: you can check out any time, but you can never leave.
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@kentbarrett ·
https://steemit.com/legal/@kentbarrett/lies-and-the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-the-lies-they-tell-an-objective-and-fair-analysis-of-the-law-society-by-roguesupport
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@just-some-guy ·
I suspect this lying liar with an Arts Degree in lying will lie to us all.
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@petedaoust ·
Unfortunatly, I think too :(
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@petedaoust ·
*jeopardy music* :/
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@petedaoust ·
Hey...... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! :D

https://steemit.com/legal/@roguesupport/lies-and-the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-the-lies-they-tell-an-objective-and-fair-analysis-of-the-law-society#@petedaoust/re-roguesupport-lies-and-the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-the-lies-they-tell-an-objective-and-fair-analysis-of-the-law-society-20160810t133912097z
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@kentbarrett ·
Well asked, @willbed 

It seems the question of what a "person" is and who has the authority over it is key. I have reasons to think this is so.

**YOU ARE NOT A PERSON. You HAVE a PERSON. This was NOT a choice you made, and it’s not your FAULT! You have the RIGHT TO “SECURITY OF THE PERSON“! THIS DOES NOT MEAN WHAT YOU THINK IT MEANS! THIS IS A LEGAL DECLARATION. NOWHERE does it say the GOVERNMENT has the right to “SECURE THE PERSON”. YOU DECIDE what happens to your person, just like YOU DECIDE what happens to that $10.00 bill in your wallet, even though it’s NOT YOURS.**

That's quoted from this article.

https://steemit.com/money/@kentbarrett/persons-for-idiots

Perhaps @steemship can quickly acknowledge or deny that
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@petedaoust ·
Oh well! :/
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@laurentvah ·
It looks like those questions won't be answered :(
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