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> The Steem community will thrive whether we are here or not. Hi Ned. Now that you mentioned this, can you further elaborate on a possible exit strategy? Is "we" = Steemit, Inc - or would that also include your new business, the one that is (was?) supposed to develop the application *Destiny* ? In case Steemit, Inc withdrew from operating on the Steem blockchain, would you consider using the company's stake for a new investment - e.g. executed by that other company you're running? Or would an exit rather include a sell off, and the new business would need to rebuy the tokens then? I pretty much agree that Steem could live without Steemit, Inc - we'd only need to know if/when this scenario is supposed to set in to get prepared for it. Steemit.com is still the most used application on the Steem blockchain with a widespread reputation on the internet. In case it was shut down, we'd need to try moving the userbase gradually towards other dApps with the largest lead time possible. We've already lost so many users, we shouldn't dare to loose even more just for not having been planning things accordingly. *Steem on* 🤙
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Then decentralize and start planning. The internet was built on the back of thousands and thousands of volunteers contributing their time. Later, companies dealt with challenges like email spam because the protocols were open and buisenesses could build on it. Why **still** wait for one central entity. In between the lines... Ned has always hinted that it’s up to the platform (community/ecosystem) but with the explicit desire that they develop the blockchain. But that ain’t necessarily what decentralization is and if we want to avoid this situation to happen over and over (it’s actually a blessing in disguise right now, especially because it seems that Steemit Inc is now set up to deliver and deliver hard), then the community also needs a solid (dev) backbone. We lost many users because bear market. We had many new ones last December and January. And as the markets declined they left again. There is probably more correlation to be found in crypto marketcap and “users” than because of errors/delays.
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I agree with you that we need more decentralization, but that'd also require more investment, and I'm not sure if we're in a position to ask for that. Why not keeping our feet on the ground and trying to maintain a stable network instead of again aiming for the stars, trying to grow something that doesn't even have a solid basis? I've never really understood the common belief that success requires constant growth. In nature a species that constantly grew would even be considered diseased. I also disagree on the assumption that everything in the crypto space needs to be tied to the BTC price. The example of SteemMonsters shows that there is no need to speculate on retention. Even though the markets are down, monsters keep growing their fanbase and stake. This is why they have a solid product that works autonomously and that is creating a constant demand, independently from the dollar price of their currency. That's one of the reasons why I'm all in for more gamification (little shoutout to @gtg and @arcange). What does that mean? Give people reasons to keep their Steem being a currency that's even more valuable within the network of Steem than outside its borders. Give them even reasons to buy more in order to increase their position within their community: let them *level up*, *buy secret weapons*, *acquire additional lives*, you name it. Make social interaction become fun, engaging and lucrative. I by myself am no developer which is why you won't see me coding an app that maps those scenarios. But I'm a creative person with ideas and time - just as hundreds of others here who'll be happy to make use of the next generation of Steem applications.
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We don’t need to ask. Perfect example of how decentralization would work: rather than @blocktrades suggesting they can develop, blocktrades develops its own node version software and releases it publicly. The witnesses will decide which one they prefer. That’s how open source and decentralization works. As for growth... we are not there yet. As a base layer blockchain Steem needs to still further develop its apps. Recent months have shown that apps can be built on Steem even without SMT platform. Does that require investment? Yes, from the developers... their time and knowledge. If Steemit Inc can support that with their stake that’s wonderful. As they have done so far. We still need to further find the most important product-market fit in decentralized platforms: devs. Then, when we have more flagship apps... then users will come. Right now... Steem has more users than it has viable apps and every user thinks of themselves as an investors - rather than a token holder - but not as a user. Gamification is an easy patch but it doesn’t take away that the dev ecosystem is still too small to power huge growth. We need to stay clear here: Steemit Inc **proposes** hard forks. It is up to the witnesses to decide whether they want those forks (hard or soft). **Anybody** can do such, anyone can fork and improve the blockchain repo and submit it to the governance. Same applies to node software, and the more alternative versions there are out there... the better it will be for the eventual codebase of the platform. Those who can should do. Then release it. If it finds adoption, it may grow to become the more popular option. That’s decentralization. Waiting for and asking for... that is not. That only shows dependence. Lastly... how many more cases like Steem Monsters do you know? Or could it be that they are the exception in a still rather huge userbase (at least huge in crypto world). Yet, all those other cryptoes are not taking a beating because of BTC pairing, right? Nonetheless, it needs not happen but ignoring it from being a real situation is ostrich symptom. Steem is **not** that miraculous yet that it beats normal behavior. As we can see from it actually being one the worst performing tokens in the top 50. Steem Monsters **is** the statistically negligible case and should definitely not be the figurative strawhalm one grasps because that risks blinding from challenging all other issues. One more thing: ideas are 1 STEEM a dozen. Ideas without execution bring only very little.
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