RE: Why Steemit, Inc. NEEDS to Increase the Community Creation Fee by therealwolf

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steemleo · @therealwolf · (edited)
Social mindset: something costs too much; it has to be cheaper. **No**. If something is valuable, it should have a price and if you can't afford, then work until you can.

I'm not saying that communities have to cost 1000 STEEM, but we should implement a system, similar to the domain-naming system, where valuable keywords costs more. Otherwise, there will be squatters who take away thousands of valuable keywords.

And by the way, @yabapmatt is running one of the only business models on Steem which has a thriving ecosystem (Splinterlands). If there's someone you should listen to, it's matt.
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@stuffbyspencer · 
> if you can't afford, then work until you can

This thread is full of people worried about adopting masses into Steem and how not spending enough money will... what, make it seem like a childish platform? What planet are you people from?

**Work until you can**, is just about the best way to drive away mass amounts of people. Like the mindset or not, it's the fucking truth.

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I like your addition of a keyword system though. It could be a good middle-ground between our two differing views.

(*Also, not to be antagonistic, but just because someone runs a successful business doesn't mean you should listen to them. "Appeal to authority" / "Listen to the top" is the most blanket & pointless statement I hear often nowadays.*)
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@therealwolf · (edited)
> Work until you can, is just about the best way to drive away mass amounts of people. Like the mindset or not, it's the fucking truth.

Steem has been advertised as a platform with free-handouts. "Come to Steem, contribute and earn free money", which was a good way to attract masses of people who simply opened up their hands. But they're the same people who cry about Steem being ruled by whales. Truth is: the world is being ruled by power. And money (regardless of FIAT or CRYPTO) is just another form of power. 

Selling Steem short by giving things away for free didn't work out, which is why I don't think it's smart to give away communities for 0.4 USD. Instead, IMO this will simply result in people not valuing the underlying product. It doesn't need to be 1000 STEEM, but it should be at least 5$ or 10$. If you don't have that, you're lying to yourself.

> (Also, not to be antagonistic, but just because someone runs a successful business doesn't mean you should listen to them. "Appeal to authority" / "Listen to the top" is the most blanket & pointless statement I hear often nowadays.)

I'm not referring to them running a business. I'm referring to the fact that matt, aggroed and the rest of the Splinterlands team, created a thriving ecosystem, which has steadily gained in value. Even their own currency DEC has enough sinks to hold its value. Which is why their opinion should be valued.
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@stuffbyspencer ·
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Everyone's opinion should be *valued*, but I'm just saying that referring to their past (*and tbf, current*) success in spite of what they are actively saying is sorta a moot point. I look at what is being presented to me currently, which is a guy saying 1,000 STEEM should be the cost which, regardless of his history on this platform, is a crazy fucking idea to spout out.

We're not selling Steem short by "giving away" communities for cheap, we're lowering the barrier to entry. The reason Steem hasn't hit mass-adoption even though we've been signaling the "free handouts" as you call them, isn't *because of* them, but **in spite of** them. Steem never succeeded due to low levels of marketing, crypto-confusion to normies, fears of ponzi-schemes (*which surely isn't helped by charging high fees for something literally every other community-based site offers for free*), and an overall lack of clarity as to why the platform is special.

**We need options for people to freely & easily hop aboard, poke around, try things out, and not be afraid to do things. Charging high fees for creating a community goes against this philosophy.**
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@vegeta · (edited)
Agreed, the lower steem is valued the more it will be burned. We want communities to be attractive enough that it would create a good burn rate for steem. $0.40 or 3 steem would be way too low. If it's fixed to a specific dollar value and steem goes up in value, all you have to do is hold on to your steem till you can afford a community. Any name 5-6 characters or under should be sold at a premium price. Like if you tried to register "zap" you would pay 10,000-20,000 steem or something.

For non-premium names maybe $25-50 worth of steem.
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@treepi · (edited)
How valuable is it really? Because right now, I'd say things aren't exactly looking very good for Steem in terms of users activity.

And how can they squat them if the communities are numerical ID's?

> if you can't afford, then work until you can

Sure, it's easy to say work until you can. I'm not sure how well traveled you are, but you and I are from wealthy countries. Most of the world can't and that's a harsh truth. And they're supposed to be one of the primary benefactors of crypto. At least, that was the idea many years ago.

The increased barrier to entry just prevents more adoption. And no offense to @yabapmatt but, he's running a card game not the entire Steem platform. The work he's doing is great, but it's apples and oranges to what we're talking about here. Also, I didn't know Steem itself was supposed to have a profit driven model? I thought the witnesses were paid for their job to keep the chain up and running, no?
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