RE: Why Steemit, Inc. NEEDS to Increase the Community Creation Fee by treepi

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steemleo · @treepi · Oct 15 '19 (edited)

Why? How does that benefit anyone? You're adding another barrier to entry on a platform already dominated by whales. Most of the world is dirt poor too and this is all being compared to and priced in USD. It makes 0 sense. The price should be 100% determined on the cost to the network and that's it.

And as far as I know, the name squatting thing isn't even an issue based on how the system runs. So, that point shouldn't even be considered in the argument.

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@nonameslefttouse · Oct 15 '19 (edited)

We'll have to find the happy middle ground.  Making it too expensive is just as unwise as making it too cheap.  A set cost is important.  Someone could set up thousands of accounts for 3 steem each, at 40 cents, then sell those accounts for less than the cost of the three steem accounts in the future if the value increases, undercutting the source, and making a huge profit.  Not good, especially if that source is designed to be beneficial to the economy as a whole.

A community should be able to gather enough resources to pay for their community, if they're poor.  It doesn't have to be too expensive or overly expensive to the point only the wealthy can do it.

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@treepi · Oct 15 '19

Who cares if they sell accounts for more in the future? That's what happens when you're the first to adopt a technology. You benefit from that.

But, again it seems like you're assuming these accounts have names which they will not. The accounts are numbers. The name squatting is not an issue. So, the only way I could see your argument actually taking place is if people were selling communities that they built up. Otherwise, it would only be worth the cost of creating one.

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@nonameslefttouse · Oct 15 '19 (edited)

I'm not assuming the accounts have names.  On the contrary.  The accounts don't have names, so therefore, unless I'm mistaken, someone could purchase many accounts and sell those accounts for cheaper than the cost from the source, and the one purchasing could then name it and carry on much like they could if they purchased from the source.

"Who cares!"  Obviously you care.

**Think:**

- You don't want this to be dominated by whales
- A whale comes and purchases many accounts.
- That whale sells accounts, undercutting the source
- The whale makes all the money
- No more STEEM is getting burned to create accounts.
- Because those wishing to create a community can simply purchase an account from the whale who's undercutting the source.
- The whale makes all the money.  
- Steem and the community as whole does not benefit from the creation of communities, the one selling accounts is the only one making a personal profit.

Maybe I'm missing something?  Maybe this problem has already been addressed?  I still think a set cost would be beneficial, so one could not set up a community today for 40 cents, and someone down the road must spend $15 because the value of Steem spiked.  The only way the source could be undercut is if the cost isn't set and consistent.  The value of Steem fluctuates, therefore, someone could undercut the source, unless the cost of a community account remains the same, regardless of the value of the token.

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@treepi · Oct 15 '19 (edited)

You also need to realize that having people create a ton of communities benefits Steem holders. They need to hold Steem to utilize them. Raising the cost will ultimately affect the potential value of Steem.

You have to consider competition as well. Why come here and pay to create these communities when they can do it on Reddit or elsewhere for free? Sure, you can make a little money. But, it's not easy and the money made by most people on here isn't enough to keep them here. Just look at the amount of active users here. Not very many.

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@treepi · Oct 15 '19 (edited)

> A community should be able to gather enough resources to pay for their community, if they're poor. It doesn't have to be too expensive or overly expensive to the point only the wealthy can do it.

Yes, they need Steem which gives them RC credits. That's how the communities are able to run. This all ties back to communities needing to hold Steem. Thus increasing the value of Steem. So having a higher barrier of entry to just creating the community is a terrible idea and will hurt us all at the end of the day.

Btw, sorry for all the replies. I'm on my phone and it was easier to sort out my thoughts this way lol.

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@nonameslefttouse · Oct 15 '19

Too many replies, and we're going all over the place.  I'm saying *if* there's a cost (there is) it should be a set to one dollar value and remain consistent.

You can have your opinions about the place and everything else but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

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