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> the rumors are spreading that steemit is a whale on whale upvote-fest Obviously you can't always rationally explain rumors but where is the evidence of this? I don't even see most whales posting at all, much less posting and getting undeserved votes from other whales. I do post comments pretty often and it is exceedingly rare they ever get votes from other whales.
| post_id | 220,955 |
|---|---|
| author | smooth |
| permlink | re-jl777-re-tuck-fheman-re-jl777-why-whales-are-needed-and-a-proposal-to-insure-the-massive-success-of-steemit-20160723t201525500z |
| category | upvoting |
| json_metadata | "{"tags": ["upvoting"]}" |
| created | 2016-07-23 20:15:27 |
| last_update | 2016-07-23 20:15:36 |
| depth | 3 |
| children | 3 |
| net_rshares | 171,097,091 |
| last_payout | 2016-08-25 12:00:39 |
| cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
| total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| promoted | 0.000 SBD |
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| author_reputation | 119,002,354,889,508 |
| root_title | "Why whales are needed - and a proposal to insure the massive success of steemit, ie Subtractive Upvoting Gradient" |
| beneficiaries | [] |
| max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
| percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
| author_curate_reward | "" |
| voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| eur | 0 | 41,486,169 | 100% | ||
| lotto | 0 | 64,818,041 | 100% | ||
| ecology | 0 | 64,792,881 | 100% |
there is no evidence of this at all, in fact I think a bigger issue is that most whales are relatively inactive, which is an issue that can hopefully be solved too. The fact that there is no evidence against it is probably not good enough. Maybe if evidence to prove it isnt happening was made, that could help, but given the envy factor I think anything short of a proactive charity type of policy encoded in the algorithms, outsiders will just make stuff up to convince themselves steemit cant be real. If you just go to places outside of steemit island you will hear people see the envy factor expressed as "unfair payouts" is the primary (only?) negative.
| post_id | 221,108 |
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| author | jl777 |
| permlink | re-smooth-re-jl777-re-tuck-fheman-re-jl777-why-whales-are-needed-and-a-proposal-to-insure-the-massive-success-of-steemit-20160723t202436586z |
| category | upvoting |
| json_metadata | "{"tags": ["upvoting"]}" |
| created | 2016-07-23 20:24:36 |
| last_update | 2016-07-23 20:24:36 |
| depth | 4 |
| children | 1 |
| net_rshares | 167,669,541 |
| last_payout | 2016-08-25 12:00:39 |
| cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
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| pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
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| root_title | "Why whales are needed - and a proposal to insure the massive success of steemit, ie Subtractive Upvoting Gradient" |
| beneficiaries | [] |
| max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
| percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
| author_curate_reward | "" |
| voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| pax | 0 | 64,830,698 | 100% | ||
| nzd | 0 | 59,636,055 | 100% | ||
| family | 0 | 43,202,788 | 100% |
Okay I agree that rumors can be a real issue even if untrue. The rumor of whale-on-whale upvoting just surprises me since there isn't even grain of truth to it as far as I can tell. Most rumors start with _something_.
| post_id | 225,704 |
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| author | smooth |
| permlink | re-jl777-re-smooth-re-jl777-re-tuck-fheman-re-jl777-why-whales-are-needed-and-a-proposal-to-insure-the-massive-success-of-steemit-20160724t021547500z |
| category | upvoting |
| json_metadata | "{"tags": ["upvoting"]}" |
| created | 2016-07-24 02:15:48 |
| last_update | 2016-07-24 02:15:48 |
| depth | 5 |
| children | 0 |
| net_rshares | 41,865,666 |
| last_payout | 2016-08-25 12:00:39 |
| cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
| total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| promoted | 0.000 SBD |
| body_length | 218 |
| author_reputation | 119,002,354,889,508 |
| root_title | "Why whales are needed - and a proposal to insure the massive success of steemit, ie Subtractive Upvoting Gradient" |
| beneficiaries | [] |
| max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
| percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |
| author_curate_reward | "" |
| voter | weight | wgt% | rshares | pct | time |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| j8son | 0 | 41,865,666 | 100% |
some preliminary stats have some interesting data, but I need some info on key block heights, will PM
| post_id | 228,244 |
|---|---|
| author | jl777 |
| permlink | re-smooth-re-jl777-re-tuck-fheman-re-jl777-why-whales-are-needed-and-a-proposal-to-insure-the-massive-success-of-steemit-20160724t064715232z |
| category | upvoting |
| json_metadata | "{"tags": ["upvoting"]}" |
| created | 2016-07-24 06:47:15 |
| last_update | 2016-07-24 06:47:15 |
| depth | 4 |
| children | 0 |
| net_rshares | 0 |
| last_payout | 2016-08-25 12:00:39 |
| cashout_time | 1969-12-31 23:59:59 |
| total_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| curator_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| pending_payout_value | 0.000 SBD |
| promoted | 0.000 SBD |
| body_length | 101 |
| author_reputation | 14,981,508,863,374 |
| root_title | "Why whales are needed - and a proposal to insure the massive success of steemit, ie Subtractive Upvoting Gradient" |
| beneficiaries | [] |
| max_accepted_payout | 1,000,000.000 SBD |
| percent_steem_dollars | 10,000 |