RE: State Dept Accuses Russia And Syria Of Gassing Civilians Before Any Investigation by ideafarm

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· @ideafarm ·
I would have kept reading longer if you hadn't done so much name calling.  I think that Trump walks on water and that what he has been doing has been brilliant.  For example, the appointment of Bolton was brilliant, timed perfectly to send just the right message to North Korea and to China.

To understand Trump, it is helpful to use the model or metaphor of a poker game; in those terms, Trump is playing about five poker games simultaneously, at five tables, each with about five opponents.

I do listen to what people have to say against Trump, but I rarely find meritorious argument.
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@eskmcdonnell ·
Anyways this alleged CW attack was in the works, esp. on the back of the Skripal poisoning hoax. What would the US get out of it if not the opportunity to stage a CW attack in Syria to discredit Russia to hem in Russia foreign policy?
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@ideafarm ·
I'll be glad to converse with you.  But your reply doesn't appear to have anything to do with my comment.
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@eskmcdonnell · (edited)
A non sequitur, I realize. I presumed we were talking about the Deep State who @caitlinjonstone doesn't think has its own agenda. Since they are the ones deeply involved in the CW story (linking Salisbury and Duoma), that belies her theory that Trump isn't at war within the government. So the name calling is also unwarranted for a factual reason.
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@ctpatriot · (edited)
So basically, Trump is playing 12 dimensional chess, which he obviously learned from Obama. Or maybe, more accurately, it's the all purpose excuse by tribalists for never doubting the actions of their chosen leader despite all evidence to the contrary. Trump has proven to me quite the opposite of brilliant. He is full of bluster (which his adoring 25% eat up) but in the end is yet another easily manipulated puppet of the deep state.
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@ideafarm ·
If you love "liberty and justice for all", and you oppose concentrations of power in order to empower everyday people, and you love our Constitution and the law, i.e. "ordered liberty", then we are on the same side.

I am passionately opposed to what I call "The Plutocracy" and want to restore constitutional government to the United States.  Time will tell about many things, of course.  But I am not concerned about Trump.  We need the wall.  We need law and order.  We need patriotism.  (We also need a DACA deal and we also need to get serious about climate change.)

In my opinion, both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party suck totally.  The leadership of both parties exploit the naive but good intentions of their membership to sell out the United States in order to acquire power and to serve their special interest constituencies.

Trump articulates a clear vision that excites people like me.  He should be given a chance.  For this to happen, we need to vote away the obstructionists (in both parties) so that the Trump administration can build its wall and play the strongest possible hand in the foreign policy poker games.
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@rhetoric ·
I'm not as sanguine as you about Trump, his administration, or the Republican Party, but I agree with your conclusion: Give Trump a Chance! For one thing, it doesn't cost anything, and for another, it doesn't really matter. 

Ragging on Trump isn't going to change or improve anything. It's fashionable, especially for conservative-ish Democrats, to piss on him. I think they think it's naughty, and they like it. They tend to be very obedient to authority, and Hillary has given them permission to dump on him, so they get really excited about having official approval to dump on an official.

Trump's done a few things right: His former SoS, Tillerson, refused to certify the results of the Kurdistan plebiscite, and Trump himself put the kibosh on the Syria subversion funding which the CIA had started doing under Obama. 

As to the rest of his government, at times it seems really fucked up, but you think, it was going to be fucked up anyway. Is this the step back necessary before the two forward? We'll have to wait and see. In the meantime, involve yourself in local politics, where you get an actual scorecard. Being a player there actually makes a difference, unlike opining on distant national and international issues.

Of course, by all means remain skeptical and as informed as possible. There's no need to Trust Trump or believe in him. His past is certainly as dubious as it is colorful. But he's in a new job now. Maybe he'll excel at it, and find some inner strength his immediate predecessors lacked.
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