RE: Putting a face to the dangers of vaccines by canadian-coconut

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· @canadian-coconut · (edited)
I never said that I would flag him, and I haven't.
I was explaining a possible scenario if someone like me had actually taken offense.  I don't offend that easily.
I think that the only time that I  flagged somebody that offended me was when noganoo wrote a post with my name in the title, and his #1 tag was "Satanists."
 ... so unless you write a post calling me out as a Satanist, you probably won't receive a flag from me ... lol ...

I do not easily throw flags around.  It is this poster who throws his flags around.   I disagreed with his original comment too -- but I did not flag it -- because I don't think that flagging for disagreement is acceptable.  
If I had the same way of thinking as he does, I would have gone ahead and flagged it though.
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@personz ·
That's the great thing about using an implication, you can always say you didn't say it directly and it was hypothetical. But the intent is clear to any reader.

You have your flag standards and he has his. Really it's a mountain out of mole hill, did you check his account? He has barely 28 SP. So it's really just about manners.

I think you guys all made your points anyhow.
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@canadian-coconut · (edited)
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I was trying to help him.  It is obvious that he wasn't a threat to me, but I thought that he was a threat to himself and his brand-new Steemit account.  

But you are right that it was not worth it to point it out to him.  I wasted too much of my own time.  I somehow have to better diagnose when people might actually appreciate my help.  So many people can not accept constructive and helpful criticism.  

 Believe it or not, I even want to help people here on Steemit who do not agree with me on my favorite topics.  I hate to see any account destroyed because of ignorance of the landscape here at Steemit.  Steemit is not like Facebook, but new people don't always realize that.
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@personz ·
Of course he was not a threat to you, but you proposed one to him.

Regardless, I do believe that you are acting in good faith for the most part, but that does not mean that I think you are correct. It was [browbeating](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/browbeating)

> To intimidate or subjugate by an overbearing manner or domineering speech

I am just opposing that.
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@dreemit · (edited)
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Do you know why this statement is false? I mean the whole "intent is clear to any reader"...because you wouldn't feel comfortable saying this to her if you thought it was true. You want to argue that? What if Bernie was an anti vaxxer? You know damn well he would have no problem flagging this guy, and then potentially flagging you for this comment.  The message this sends to @canadian-coconut is that she should be more like him, then she would deal with less resistance, at least from those whose accounts she could nuke, because people would be afraid.

Either way I don't agree that it's 'clear that she's threatening anyone', considering how much time she took to explain her position to this guy. It's quite obvious that she is not into using her flags to make a point.  Of course, as  you say, it would be within her right to do that....which is why I find your entire argument with all of us here confusing.  You want to make sure this new guy knows he can go ahead and flag whomever he wants, I was hoping to warn him off doing that before he does actually get his account tanked to zero. You also want to tell us that we shouldn't be saying what we're saying, seriously I am just confused by you. What is it that you believe exactly? Or are you just playing devil's advocate here?

Obviously he *can* flag to disagree, no one is standing behind him that's going to twist his arm back when he goes to click it. If your argument is that we don't have a right to feel that someone shouldn't, we can agree to disagree on that point. I've actually agreed with a lot of the flags bernie has given out in his time here, but I happen to disagree with them being used to express an opinion. I would feel that way even if I shared his opinion on whatever subject it was. That's my personal feelings. You're entitled to yours.

I don't know if it's my computer or steemit itself, but I don't get taken directly to people's comments anymore, I get taken to the beginning of the article and have to scroll through until I find the comment. Which is super annoying and the reason I'm not going to go to all of the comments you left me and why I chose to respond to this one.

edit: I also should add that she would not have even made that statement if he was just expressing himself throughout without flagging.
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@personz ·
I agree, it's pretty annoying that if the thread gets to deep then links don't work and you have to go to a separate page to view the comments, they should fix that.

I'm not sure why you're confused, I thought I was clear. My argument is not that you don't have the right to _feel_ something, that absurd.

I simply wanted to back him up on his choice to use flags. I didn't want him to be mislead into thinking that it's not the way things are done here. Sure, many people don't like it, but you know why that is? Because new people keep coming here and "old hands" keep telling them not to use them, that there's a culture of using them with massive restraint, but there need not be.

I'm not playing devils advocate. My position is (1) use flags if you want and (2) be wary of people who tell you what to do. You do not represent a flag consensus.

Finally I'm willing to concede that my interpretation of the follow sentence as a threat may not have been the intention of the author.

> If I were to have taken offense at you, my single downvote is powerful enough to bring your reputation down to zero or less.

It's hard to tell without human speech. But if I'm wrong it was a very poor choice of words because that interpretation, coupled with the other heavy handed speech (from you too, asking for flags to be removed, etc.) constitutes browbeating. Just because you couch it in more or less polite tones does not mask it.

Interpret it as you will.
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@valued-customer ·
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I completely agree with what you have said here.

>"...I don't know if it's my computer or steemit itself, but I don't get taken directly to people's comments anymore..."

THIS!!! I hate this.  It's not just you, and I am glad, and sad, to find out it's not just me.

Stinc, fix this!!!!
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