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Strange how you alwas think that I say things that I never have said. We should put more resources into bettering the train network instead of ever more roads and cars, if you mean that.
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Since when do I ALWAYS think that you say things that you've never have said? Since when do you have any idea what I think? I was stretching the analogy to the same extent as the mandatory vaccine argument, to show how ridiculous it is. I could be accused of appeal to ridicule, but it is your analogy. Vaccines are dangerous and even deadly. I'm not going to permanently injure or kill myself, no matter who, or how many, it would help. The train analogy breaks down before it even leaves the station. And then there's this...your answer to @stillwater above. >"A) Because they care about the health of other" You are implying, though I don't expect you know it, that those who choose to refrain from endangering their health are less caring than those who blindly fall in line, and are injected with potentially lethal toxins. >"B) Because there are people aho cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason, always or temporary. You are protecting them if there isn't a horde of sick people around." Vaccination does not protect these people, this is one of the common pieces of propaganda. Even if it did, which it doesn't, should I set my child on fire to keep someone else's child warm? How many people is it okay to injure or kill to pretend that we are protecting a few sick people? >"for whatever reason" This is not a sound or valid argument.
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A vaccination is not a toxin O.o I never wrote I am for mandatory vaccination. That is your "stretching". >Vaccination does not protect these people, this is one of the common pieces of propaganda. Well, it does. >Vaccines are dangerous and even deadly. Going shopping is dangerous and even deadly. Still people do it *even when they don't have to*. Can you believe that? And smokers! Paying lots of money to kill themselfs and others!! btw. sitting is lethal. I hope you are not sitting when writing or reading. >I'm not going to permanently injure or kill myself, no matter who, or how many, it would help. That is okay. Nobody requires you to be a police officer or a fire fighter. No, I am wrong. Actually in most countries it is possible to force people to do fire fighter duties if there is nobody found in another way.
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Way to go me, 'stretching' the conversation to address the ONLY currently relevant aspect of this subject. Mandating the use of dangerous, archaic medical technologies is violation of individual natural rights, and international convention, and is, in fact, a war crime. >Vaccination does not protect these people, this is one of the common pieces of propaganda. Well, sorry, it doesn't. All one needs to do is look at the historical timeline. The decline of disease began well before the introduction of vaccination, but neatly correlated with the beginning of widespread use of sanitation, hygiene, and nutrition. The decline of disease even occurred in diseases for which there are no vaccines. If you want, you can even look at outbreaks CAUSED by vaccination. >Going shopping is dangerous and even deadly. Still people do it even when they don't have to. Can you believe that? And smokers! Paying lots of money to kill themselfs and others!! btw. sitting is lethal. I hope you are not sitting when writing or reading. No one is trying to force me to shop, smoke, or sit. This is no argument. Also, this is three red herrings, and an appeal to fear. >Actually in most countries it is possible to force people to do fire fighter duties if there is nobody found in another way. This is another red herring, with no evidence that, what I suspect you are claiming is, governments, not 'countries' force people to fight fires. Forcing people to do things against their will is called slavery. The INITIATION of force is always violence, and if a government uses it against me, I will absolutely resist it with all force possible to defend myself against this violence.
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