RE: Witness Question of the Week by anarcho-andrei

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· @anarcho-andrei ·
Given that he could have literally copy/pasted the list with 100% accuracy, I'd argue that right there calls this methodology into question.

You do you, boss.  I'm not saying this is a bad idea.  I'm saying that using this as the only metric for who you vote for is short-sighted and misses the mark.  Does it benefit witnesses to engage with the community?  Of course.  I'd love for you to point to where I suggested otherwise.  I do to the greatest extent possible.  I'm always around in the various forums that I invest my time in.

What myself and others are saying is that, if you care about voting for witnesses, this being your *only* metric gives you an utterly incomplete picture of who is doing what.  I have a thousand different things going on, and I'm far from being the busiest witness in the top 100.  Given our time and energy are supremely limited by our responsibilities, it's not incumbent on us to hunt down every post that might reference any of us and reply to it.

Hell, you could just check out the #witness-category tag and peruse the postings.  It'd be little different than what this post hopes to accomplish, and you'd have direct access to the most active witnesses on the chain, rather than waiting for them to respond to a post they might not even be tagged in.
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@steemitqa ·
I think the question is do you have an obligation to be engaged with the community. I think the answer should be obvious. An account with no engagement and is the in top 100 ( not saying you have no engagement ) smells of something odd imho.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
Well of course.  The issue I have with relying on this on its own is that I engage with the community in my own particular capacities.  I'm open to conversation, but I have various projects and people I'm heavily involved with.  I only have a limited amount of time and energy.
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@lextenebris ·
You do recognize that "this being the only metric that you go by" is a strawman argument that you guys introduced. It's not even present in the original posting. It's entirely synthetic.

Saying "you can see the results of this and decide what to do with your vote" is not, pointedly not, the same as saying "use this and only this to decide what to do with your vote." The difference between those two things cannot be invisible to you.

Every metric – including all of the ones that you guys have put forward – provides an utterly incomplete picture of who is doing what. The problem with your suggestions is that they put the onus of getting what you want on the populace of voters, with the subtle implication (or not-so-subtle) that you are entirely too busy as a group to care about campaigning for all of those tiny minnow votes that you say are so important to you.

Yes, I said "campaigning."

Repeatedly, it's been said that voters should be careful with their vote and only vote for people who share their vision and their plan for the future. Okay, I want to take you at your word. I believe that we want to take you at your word.

But if I take you at your word, I have to wonder – and I mean this wholeheartedly – why the group of you haven't done something like this post on your own initiative, providing a weekly or biweekly post under a specific blog entry as a new account, where everyone is invited to see and read witness responses to questions which are chosen from the previous week or two that witnesses have seen floating around in the community. After all, we are supposed to believe that your active in the community and thus will have seen questions which come up repeatedly?

But you haven't done that. Not only that, you show active hostility to the idea.

Why is that?

This could've been a vast nonissue a year ago, if someone had said, "hey, votes are important, I'd like to take up the mantle of the local broadcast news agency and arrange town halls where the community can interact with interested witnesses!" And then, instead of taking it is an imposition or as an insult that you might be question, the witnesses might have simply taken it as an opportunity, built a forum (in the classic sense), and avoided seeming like they want to have the role of aristocracy without even the chance of the rabble gathering outside their walls.

Optics. Basic optics.

You can see why people who you (witnesses) have said out right are very tiny fish indeed but may be important in aggregate because they're less likely to be swayed by whimsy might want to be treated like that. They might want to see you act like you actually believe that.

We, too, only have a limited amount of time and energy – and a limited amount of the ability to care.

You guys are really working hard to make that last point the most important one.
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@anarcho-andrei ·
You mean like @lexiconical does with his Meet the Witnesses series?  You seem to be coming to this conversation underprepared to defend your points.  Since you brought up the topic of optics, how's it look when you bemoan the fact no one took it upon themselves to be a "new agency" for witnesses when someone (and not just him) have already done so?  Due diligence.

We're all adults here.  If you want to engage in a conversation on a topic, the best course of action is to inform yourself about the topic.  Knowledge is an irreducible human good.  Being informed is never a bad thing, and should be encouraged, but that requires initiative on the individual seeking information as well as the individual providing the information.
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@lextenebris ·
Here's the funny thing – I absolutely *have* been working surprisingly hard to inform myself about the topic. It's almost as if the system is set up to deliberately keep people from finding out about the topic. Aggressively. Consciously.

Other people have already pointed out that the blockchain and its hard forks themselves are woefully under-documented, but let me tell you that as a relative newcomer to this particular social platform – trying to learn anything about it coherently, cogently, and meaningfully? Almost impossible.

At best you can stumble over a thread like this where people actually get actively engaged. Maybe some aspect of the constantly raging Steemit drama falls across your screen and you can chase one little bit of it.

But if you had money, that would not be the way to bet.

Given the theoretical importance of witnesses, why is there no platform-promoted information on it? Why is it that you guys react with aggressive engagement when something like this comes up?

You didn't start with, "we've already been answering these questions over on Meet the Witnesses, maybe you should check it out." This, nine or so levels deep in the responses, is the first time it's come up. Someone of a cynical bent might suggest that it's the first time that you thought about it or remembered that it exists.

If it didn't come up until now, how important could it be?

You're the one pushing the idea that everyone else needs to be educated on why they should or shouldn't vote for you as a witness and that it's their responsibility, not yours, to convey that knowledge. If you really believed that, your opening response would've been "… and you can find that information over here at…"

But that's not what you did. That's not what you've been doing.

So yes, we're all adults here and we are old enough to recognize a disingenuous tactic when we see it.

You still seem to be laboring under the belief that it is everyone else in the community's responsibility to find out about you and not at all your responsibility to persuade the community that you are worth finding out about, including making doing that easy.

I'm not going to take the blame for that. That's ridiculous.
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