RE: ⚠️ Rip-Off Alert ⚠️ @jerrybanfield Is At It Again To Rip People Off by lexiconical

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· @lexiconical · (edited)
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*"trying to draw parallels between something completely is a logical fallacy (False equivalence)"*

Only if it's false...if you don't like the analogy, discard it. But Jerry was doing the same thing - charging more for a very similar product.

But, since he was doing it the dumb 30SP way, it did cost something like $35 per account, plus the risk of chargebacks on Paypal. Not a great moneymaking scheme, is it?

*"implementing some high paid "feature" will only further claims against steemit as an MLM/Ponzi"*

Agreed, that's why I've called the idea dumb at every opportunity. I'm not willing to say it's malice yet, however, nor run him out of town.

*" claiming your service is quick and easy and a great deal this is misleading information to make a profit i.e a scam"*

Well, the service might have been quick and easy. We won't ever know. Whether that speed and service made it a good deal is subjective.

It's not a scam, but again, I grant that it's dumb and suspect.

*"I notice you getting votes from @jerrybanfield is this pay to put this kind of unbased spinning in defense?"*

Oh yeah, he put me on auto-voter for like $1.25 a month ago purely in preparation of the next-time he would put his foot in his mouth.

If you want a non-sarcastic answer, I've commented for miles on his posts for 4 months and probably voted him more than he's voted me back, so if I'm moonlighting as paid PR flunky than I'm not very good at it.

I don't mind that you asked. Fair to call out the connection.

PS - I'm not sure these two can coexist: "unbased spinning". However, yeah, I think I am being pretty unbiased. I have a history of defending whoever is getting dog-piled.
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@isacoin · (edited)
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it is false trying play the Jerry as some sort of victim who doesn't have control being a former alcoholic  this isn't a sound argument,not based in logic or related to the topic at hand.

When you have coverage with followers and very "rep" a high ranking in witness there is no way something like this should be given any chance he was fully aware what he was doing no matter the spin you try and put it 

his offer = False Representation of product or service.

there are laws on this in most country's  + Scam ICOS let + widespread copyright infringement will as soon as blockchain law is in full effect bring down a mountain you dont need to add from the top
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@lexiconical ·
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*"it is false trying play the Jerry as some sort of victim"*

I guess it's a good thing nobody is doing that then.

*" this isn't a sound argument,not based in logic or related to the topic at hand."*

I'm glad I'm not making that argument.

*"he was fully aware what he was doing"*

Do you have evidence of this? I didn't think so.

*"the spin you try and put it"*

Innocent until proven guilty is spin now?

*"his offer = False Representation of product or service."*

He gave you a price and a service. What was false?

*"In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right."*

Can you prove intent to deliberately deceive? What was the deception?

It can't be just price.
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@isacoin ·
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> I guess it's a good thing nobody is doing that then.

you seem to be strongly defending 

> Do you have evidence of this? I didn't think so.

he claims to have don research and sell guides on steemit anonsteem is easily seen in app center also wouldn't be too difficult to find information on steemconnect

irregardless of this he posted over a month ago mentioning annonsteem

[Meet Steem's Top 10 Witnesses](https://steemit.com/witness/@jerrybanfield/meet-steem-s-top-10-witnesses)

> He gave you a price and a service. What was false?

> Can you prove intent to deliberately deceive? What was the deception?

> Can you prove intent to deliberately deceive? What was the deception?

what false and deception was claiming it was a legitimate alternative  to the free signup with a significant markup when there was no cost if he wanted to help the platform would have done for free like other witnesses
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