RE: @abit Saved Your Ass on Steem And Many Don't Know This Information, Time To Vote For @abit As Witness by d-pend

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· @d-pend · (edited)
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>He who does not blame, approves. This is a maxim of law. If someone won't admit to be wrong I'm not there to make them admit, all I can do is point out their fault, the rest is up to them.

I don't agree. You can remain neutral without condemning or approving. I know you're saying that is a kind of approval so I believe we are defining approval differently. 

>I didn't express anything like that, all I expressed was the obvious rationale of the above maxim, so exactly what are you disagreeing with when I never talked or insinuated imposing oneself.

Again, I meant "impose" in a different sense. I'm saying that ideas about morality tend to be impositions by all humans (not you specifically) on top of what is already perfectly balanced (laws of the universe.)

>Redemption isn't a piece of cake, and nobody can redeem themselves until they have admitted to the wrong that condemned them, and if you don't condemn such a wrong you are allowing it. You are your brothers keeper.

I still see it as a primarily internal process, but concede that I see more value in outright condemnation than I did before.

>I'd be wary of their generosity, I'd be very wary of people who are quick to sing a different tune and fast to ask us to forget especially so if they have made no gestures seeking forgiveness because it leaves the impression that they didn't think much, if anything, of what they did and will soon resort to the same kind of dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Again, you seem to see vote-selling/buying in a decidedly negative light. I view it as a neutral outgrowth, the logical consequences of the chain's operation. There's nothing to apologize for nor forgiveness to seek from my perspective.

>It's hypocrisy after all because the only reason they continue to vote sell and vote buy is because people are still manually curating, if everyone delegated to bots there would be nothing to promote for, no reason to engage and no audience to consume. 

You're correct about manual curation being required for this place to have any value. If we ever reached a point where *every single vote* that was cast was automated, the whole value proposition would be gone. But, such a thing will never occur as long as a single person makes the decision to vote manually.
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@baah · (edited)
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>But, such a thing will never occur as long as a single person makes the decision to vote manually.

Why, it only requires a saturation of abuse, and it might never lose all it's value yet the point is who will choose to publish or engage here when there's free alternatives such as ZeroNet to publish and other social media like Minds and Medium and unfortunately we are inching twords the inevitable event horizon, at a certain point if we continue remaining neutral or complacent it will be no return, the stake mechanic ensures that.

In saying that vote selling and even worse vote buying are negative it's because I'm considering only the aspect of what's abusive to the ethos of STEEM. Are there positive undertones to those things? Sure, yet they are clothed in overcoming them, or simply in challenging us to be able to overcome them. If you think they have value, other than as a worthy adversary, I'm very interested in what they are. I'll let you know now that one of the sharpest most morally astute people on here, @son-of-satire asked the community for such a debate and guess who was the only one who took up the challenge of pro bidbots? I'll go back and review what I argued in favor of bidbots if you want and post it here, maybe it'll inspire a response from you.
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>I view it as a neutral outgrowth, the logical consequences of the chain's operation. There's nothing to apologize for nor forgiveness to seek from my perspective.

Expressing that something is wrong with the game needs to be accompanied with at least a specific criticism which ought to point at what mechanic or aspect needs to be tweaked or changed, and if nothing is wrong with the game then it's something wrong with the players and if nothing is wrong with either all you should have the need to express is Good Game.
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