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My goal is to attain bilingual-level proficiency in English. It's much, much harder than you'd think. My wife who is an English teacher at upper secondary school tells me a lot of her students think they're much better at English than they actually are. It's quite embarrassing really. Native speakers hear so much broken English from non-natives (and some less educated natives, although theirs is bad in different ways ) these days that they must have become desensitized to it to some degree. But if you want to be really good at writing and speaking in English as a non-native one thing you must do is eliminate gaps in your knowledge of idioms. For example, using phrasal verbs instead of their Latin-based counterparts is an important part of natural, friendly and conversational English. Also, you have to acknowledge that your vocabulary is bound to have gaps in surprising areas if you only communicate in English online. I've read the Irish lost their language hundreds of years ago because knowledge of English was necessary for getting ahead in life in their society at the time. That is not a realistic scenario for us for a very long time, if ever, but there is some risk of English replacing Finnish in some areas in higher education. I do not welcome that development. I pity the Irish. They are native speakers of a minority variant of English that does not enjoy a particularly high status. They'd be better off as speakers of English as a second language or bilingual.
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Being good in school English, being able to watch Hollywood movies without subtitles and using it to navigate on Instagram is what probably makes the kids think they are better than they actually are. Language is so complex and like you said, idioms are very important. I use a lot of idioms and proverbs(are they the same thing?) in Finnish, and I’m always trying to learn new ones in English. I love talking to native English speaking people, because I pick up new ones weekly! I think I’m pretty good in written form, even if I say so myself, but I need to practise speaking more. I don’t have a chance to speak with native English speaking people that often, and it bums me out! I might sound a bit illiterate when speaking, because I talk fast and I use simpler language than what I would when I write. I definitely don’t want Finnish language to die, it’s so special.
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Idioms are conventional expressions such as "get on somebody's good side". Proverbs express thoughts and are usually complete sentences. There is a book called Proverbs in the Bible filled with them. There's nothing wrong with using simple language. Even simple language is full of pitfalls and subtleties. I habitually check everything even if I have the slightest doubt as to whether some aspect of what I've written is grammatically correct. That's quite anal but my skills would suck had I not taken up that habit. It's so easy to do when you have Google, dictionaries and discussion forums about grammar at your fingertips. Another method that I haven't really used that much is so far is looking up words I don't know for things I deal with when I go about my daily business. For example, how many learners of English would know what <i>bensatankin korkki</i> or <i>bensatankin luukku</i> are in English? You rarely need to talk about those things until you do. I once had a problem with a rental VW Golf whose fuel door I could not open. In nearly every other car I've ever driven there's a lever near the floor to the left of the driver's seat you pull up to open the fuel door it but no such lever could be found in the Golf. I almost had to call the car rental to ask but I got it by reading the manual.
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You already know this but, I don't know grammar. I have never learned it and never will, yet, I'm still a bit of a grammar nazi. If something looks and sounds right, it's probably grammatically correct, or at least good enough for me, and I notice errors in written English pretty easily. I just don't usually know the grammar rules. I do google a lot of phrases or words that I can't figure out by myself by trying what looks the best. What kind of language and how particular I am about grammar depends a lot on the day and what I am writing about, and to whom. Edit: itse opin tänään uuden sanan kun tilasin sängyn. Aloin pohtia että mitähän jenkkisänky on englanniksi, koska olin aika varma että se tuskin on yankee bed. Hetken googlailtuani sain selville että kulkee uudessa maailmassa nimellä continental bed.
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