Moving to hive by berniesanders

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fulltimefucktard · @berniesanders · (edited)
$486.39
Moving to hive
Fuck you Justin, we're moving to Hive.

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@mydivathings · (edited)
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I agree to the part about how nobody would want to buy Steem from your hard earned money only to reward the community. That makes no sense as I don't think we are in a saintly world yet. Though i do get the idea that the principle is to hold Steem, build a community by contributing with your vp and then make profit by the price hike in Steem eventually. That would also mean selling it off at some point too which if you think about it, in other words also means that you need to give up on the community you helped build and running away with the profit, yes so it's an endless loop.

So I don't see any harm in voting for yourself.

Besides anyone who is investing is in for profit right? Anyone bought off a hundred thousand Steem thinking I shall do some charity work upvoting random strangers?
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@berniesanders · (edited)
Amen.  Preach it!
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@intellihandling ·
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Dear Bernie, i always supported you against rap and bad using of Steemit, but now we are facing something more important which a super guy like you can help to solve, this is RC issue for small users, so instead to lost so much voting power in downvote, why do not help users like @stellabelle and @bigdeej to solve that problem?
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@berniesanders · 
If I didn't have to waste my VP on bullshit like this, I would consider it...
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@intellihandling · 
Dear Bernie, everybody know you are doing your best for Steemit, but i would like to see if @fulltimegeek would flag you if you making a post with this noble target, if he will do it, he will be immediately removed as witness from many people...
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@lordbutterfly · 
huh? Whats going on here again? 
I never understood this.. Whales fighting when they could be circle jerking. haha. :D
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@gentmartin · 
theyre multi tasking ;-)

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@yacobh · 
In this trail is in which I can comment! Jejeje !popcorn

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@th1nkfast ·
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I mean, the hole point of buying steem power is buying influence on the steem network. Upvoting yourself is much more than just getting the rewards, it also makes your post/comment more visible so it gets more interaction!
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@berniesanders · 
Genius, eh???
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@th1nkfast ·
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@tyramisoux · (edited)
You might delegate to a voting-bot to get interests. Do not even have to write anything :-)
And no chance to get flaged
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@berniesanders · 
That's boring, been there, done that.
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@yacobh · 
I think this is the most important thing here... What kind of place will be steemit if we are not capable of enjoy be here... It will be something like ethereum or litecoin

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@yacobh · 
I think this is the most important thing here... What kind of place will be steemit if we are not capable of enjoy be here... It will be something like ethereum or litecoin

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@mshakib · 
Good morning sir.upvote and resteemit done sir 👌👍
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@build7-casole · 
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@build7-casole · 
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@almashridoy · 
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@robojosh · (edited)
Jackie chan classic

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@zoidsoft ·
$1.10
I've been around but admit I never really paid much attention to the saga between @haejin and you.  Is this the same account that had a -19 last year?  Did you have a change heart / philosophy during this time?
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@berniesanders · 
Yes and kinda.  @ranchorelaxo uses 100% of his voting power to reward @haejin.  I do **not** use anywhere near 100% of my voting power on myself so I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Should someone be able to use 100% of their VP on themselves?  Sure.
Is it in our best interest for someone to do so?  No.
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@zoidsoft · 
Thought I had voted for @fulltimegeek as witness, but apparently my memory is faulty.  Are you a witness candidate?
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@fulltimegeek ·
$0.68
> @ranchorelaxo uses 100% of his voting power to reward @haejin.

I'd be more than happy to counteract him with you. But, it seems like you've been contaminated by his infectious greed. **YOU** are the hyprocrite. Also, your flagging and demeanor has been nothing but toxicity lately. Either I flag you, or him. I'm done letting these problems fester.
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@mariluna · 
hello barniee, greetings from Venezuela, friend how can I do to have more success in steemit invest, in bots to promote my post but I do not see the rate of return on investment. I want to cry hehehehehe
greetings and blessings if you can give me a vote to raise my mood a little
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@hoaxnope · 
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@nubbiecakes · 
gotta be honest, i still don't know how to even change the VP from 50/50
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@vitranc ·
$0.03
Why it is not in our best interest?The same amount of steem is created if I upvote you or myself so why does it matter. For better content steemit will have to change a lot of rules. Until then we are all here for the money if we admit that or not.
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@markush · (edited)
$0.03
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@stanido · 
how the hell does someone get a -19? I find it so difficult to even get a +1 increase in reputation. How does this system work in the end? Who do you have to blow? All the same, starting a flame war on here seems pointless.
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@rood22s · 
fait moi up vote
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@dilshan77 · 
Sir check my post.... follow me...
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https://steemit.com/berniesanders/@dilshan77/amazing-contest-please-follow-steemit-all-friend
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@upmewhale ·
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You got a 58.02% upvote from @upmewhale courtesy of @ngc!

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@allseeingewe · 
I didn't say that.

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@berniesanders · 
More or less, you did, but I'll remove it.
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@allseeingewe · 
Thanks... my heart has now returned to my chest from my throat (where it leapt when I read that) and has resumed beating.
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@build7-casole · 
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@build7-casole · 
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@build7-casole · 
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@build7-casole · 
Which group can help me grow my reputation by voting of post
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@martie7 · 
> Buy Steem, Power Up, Upvote Yourself, WIN!!!

Good strategy!
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@build7-casole · 
Which group can help me grow my reputation by voting of post
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@kennybobs ·
$0.02
You're getting on my nerves.
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@nokodemion ·
$0.04
The only way to break even, lol....
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@themanualbot · 
I bought some as delegations and upvote other people, friends, content producers, supporters, regular users, and individuals that treat steem as for living. 

I'm literally doing 'global jerk' but without asking for reciprocity. Anyway, I know you and fulltimegeek will be fine sooner, you all have something in common as steem shareholders. ~~Steem~~Chill On!
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@ancgci · 
How many up power i need to give great value of voting power?

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@nokodemion ·
$0.04
To play with the big guys, 100000 Steempower would be a nice start.
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@ancgci · 
How to play?

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@isacoin · 
Problem:

Upvote yourself till you earn enough Steempower then vote others

when is enough?
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@ura-soul · (edited)
$0.29
Here's an honest question - maybe I am missing something, anyone is welcome to enlighten me.

As a witness and developer (and very active with various groups behind the scenes to cause helpful change for Steem) - I wonder a lot about self upvotes and about the argument that those who hold SP are right to extract large amounts from the reward pool.

Since Steem generates new tokens every day and this inflationary principle is guaranteed to lead to a reduction in the price of Steem without new investment coming in - doesn't it make sense for investors to aim to minimise the amount of rewards they take just for holding SP and maximise the amount that goes to truly good content? This way, in theory, the price of Steem goes up and the profits can come via selling held tokens while also building a strong community to prop things up into the future. New users and thus new investors want to see practical, functional systems that add something to the human experience and the web in general. 'Proof of brain' offers a feature and function that really does do this when it works well - but as long as it is bypassed by massive self upvotes and bidbot wars etc. - the public perception of Steem is that it is at best 'broken'. I see that there may be a better chance of investors gaining a good ROI by everyone agreeing to increase the functionality and usefulness of the system in all ways possible - thus pushing the price of Steem up and then also making it's other features more attractive to investors. It's hard to know for sure whether this is an accurate assessment without doing it for real.. But I am fairly sure, after many years in the social software industry and related fields, that a site that focuses primarly on self aggrandizement and denial of the hard work of others is not one that most of the world needs or wants to use. 

Free transactions and high speed ones at that!? This was unheard of at one point and yet Steem never took off due to these features because, imo (among other reasons) - the social reward utility function has not worked out so well. We all have a part to play in a social network's success and all of our choices effect the outcome to some extent. Steem combines numerous qualities and even industries into one place in a new way and there's no reason to think it would be easy to make it a great success - but at the very least it is a daily learning opportunity and imo an important early step is to learn to stop blaming each other.

All comments welcome.
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@nokodemion ·
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Selfvoter!!! I see what you did right there. :)

Inflation is at 8.66% in 2018, buying and holding SP would dilute your holdings with 7.361% a year.

So before you start creating content or curating you have a bi-polar problem. For the laymen, this means to create content and on average selfvote a min. of 7 times just to break even.

JUST TO BREAK EVEN!!! Let that sink in.

You propose that "investor's aim to minimise the amount of rewards they take" are you on drugs or what?

Pass that bong to me!!! 

The distribution of the reward pool has nothing to do with the steem price and price discovery. It's just an  incentive to become bipolar, create content and selfvote as if there is no tomorrow. Just to break even, remember... 

Content creators and curators receive SP and SBD. Why? Let it sink in.

SBD was designed as a Debt Instrument, I can imagine that its function would be to pay for the costs to run the blockchain. Therefore it should not be possible to move SBD out of the blockchain, other then, converting it to STEEM or trade it to STEEM on the internal market. With positive effect on the steem price. 

Here is the design flaw, SBD can be transferred to external exchanges. Users jumped on this leak... selling SBD for fiat and they did not convert it to steem, or sold it on the internal market for steem. 

It's by design that the steem price shows little pumps that are shortlived... there is no price discovery, because of this SBD leak. STEEM as token and as currency is disregarded totally. If there was no other way for users to convert or sell their SBD internally, then there would be real upward STEEM price discovery.

Again I think it is by design this flaw, there must be someone, a wiseguy that thought, hey, users are fucked with the 13 week powerdown, if we can try to let STEEM behave with shortlived PUMP and DUMPS...

Why not take SBD off all external exchanges? It's as simple as that... and creates STEEM Value with real price discovery. All users included the Witnesses would benefit. 

No, they came up with Resource Credits to pay for the blockchain costs, I understand this move, I think it shows the right innovation the blockchain needs. But, fix SBD by getting it enclosed in the blockchain, remove it from the exchanges.

SBD and the pump and dump is a nice to have... and they liked the smell of it, the taste of it, so let's also increase the debt ratio to 10%, Duhhhhh, it creates no value, only debt, it will be switched to fiat as soon as the user can get it's hands on it. Ohhh and the Debt (included in Market Cap) will only increase there is no way to decrease it, with all it downwards pressure on the steem price. It's a broken blockchain because of this, and we will end with a big bang!!!

Then for the believers and wishfull thinkers there will be SMT's... but wait, is the only exit strategy converting or buying into STEEM? Or do we allow SMT's also to trade on external exchanges? Same as with SBD? Then we are fucked!!!

I hope my english was not to bad.

Regards,

@berniesanders called them amateurs, I think he is right.
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@ura-soul · (edited)
I am not saying that selfvoting is wrong, but there are many users who clearly just develop strategies to post empty content and self upvote all day long - for no community or social purpose.. Doing nothing to improve the attraction of the community to new users, for example.

> this means to create content and on average selfvote a min. of 7 times just to break even.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion? What is the average calculated on? A consideration of an average across the entire blockchain or average post payout?

If the value of Steem is $1USD and the inflation rate is around 8% per year - then holding $1000 of Steem Power (e.g. 1000 Steem tokens) would result in those tokens being reduced in value by $80 over the year - right? So you have to make $80 over the year in rewards to cover that. 
At current rates (Steem is $0.83 currently) - a 1000 Steem upvote at 100% power results in $0.06 payout (According to steemnow.com's calculator anyway).. so if we say you can make 10 of those votes per day, that's $0.60 payout per day from that 1000SP. You used 7 upvotes per day, so that's a total of $0.42 per day reward payout. So to cover that $80 loss due to interest would take 190 days of self upvoting at that rate - by my calculations.

> You propose that "investor's aim to minimise the amount of rewards they take" are you on drugs or what?

To clarify, I was specifically referring to rewards pool claims. I can understand why you would think this makes no sense and I did not say 'don't take any rewards' - but the maths I showed here appear to make clear that even if a poster posts literally nothing of any use, they can break even in just over half a year at the rate of self upvoting you described. The idea is to post content that shows proof of brain and to then benefit from that by taking a larger cut of the rewards pool. Obviously Steem isn't magic money and the rewards pool payments have to come from somewhere - this is a given when using the system. If we don't improve the network and/or post great content (which in turn attracts new users and more traffic) then we aren't really doing anything to produce the financial benefits we want to receive. Or did investment ROI suddenly become guaranteed while I was making tea?

> The distribution of the reward pool has nothing to do with the steem price and price discovery

I think you obviously hogged that bong.. I can point you to people all day long who won't use or hold Steem because of the distribution of the rewards pool - which in turn lowers the price of Steem.

> SBD was designed as a Debt Instrument, I can imagine that its function would be to pay for the costs to run the blockchain

To my understanding, SBD's purpose is to provide a stable peg to incentivise use of the platform. It's tough to go to buy a loaf of bread when the value of your currency has drastically changed since yesterday, hence the peg.

> Why not take SBD off all external exchanges?

I have no problem with completely ending the use of SBDs.
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@hoaxnope · 
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@sanees · 
Self voting is ok upto some extent.I think number of post per day should be limited otherwise its easy to be abused. Imagine peopl spit out posts every hour and self vote (you have examples here!!!)
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@enforcer48 ·
$0.02
It wouldn't matter. Plenty of people have multiple accounts.
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@joselinher · 
YEAH....
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@najoh · 
Berniesanders commented on my posts with insults and he upvoted himself to the top, he is not fit to be a witness, a leader or anything else.
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@nokodemion ·
$0.04
Don't worry, I am sure it was nothing personal.
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@rhethypo · 
Ooh, looks like I stumbled upon a little feud. First real one I've seen on Steemit so far.

I'm not really a fan of the self voting stuff, but I understand there is no real way to prevent it. Alt accounts can just be used as a proxy if self voting was entirely disabled. But it seems clear to me that gaming the system is not only possible, it is occurring, and I hope we can figure out a collective solution to this so the platform itself can actually survive.

I really do not agree with the idea that you can simply buy influence on this platform. That seems innately ripe for abuse. I didn't sign up because I wanted a pay to win social media game.
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@nokodemion ·
$0.05
Yeah.... we get it, don't forget to power down.
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@mdshaonhasan3410 · 
Hello, I am new in this site. So, please tell me how can I buy it?
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@enthef · 
I'm new too. I do know how find a place to buy I normally go to coinmarketcap. They maintain a good list of coins here is steem markets. Make sure you check the wallet of the exchange your getting it on before buying. I notice poloniex has its wallet suspended and haven't checked other exchanges yet.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/steem/#markets
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@berniesanders · 
Binance or Bittrex
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@nokodemion ·
$0.04
Buy what? A downvote? Send 10 SBD to @nokodemion and I will downvote you for 9 cents.
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@moemanmoesly · 
Sounds like a bit of clout chasing on fulltimegeeks behalf...
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@ijoel · 
I agree
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@sanmi · 
**There are people who have not bought any steem but still hold a lot of steem would probably give a upvote to others for sure.**

I have seen the @ocd team doing that, @acidyo does that. And there would be many examples. 

Coming to this flag war,  any disagreement and fight definitely will come to an end over time :) You both have some affinity which is showed in a different expression :)
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@themarkymark · 
!popcorn
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@popcornexpress · 
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmcqnzBK68emvEnpYaopYCZCyonLpT9DDP15Km64cg9PyD/9.gif)
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@nutritree · 
I'm taking your advice to considerable heart. That it is not a completely bad thing to upvote yourself. Especially as a plankton. 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@darrenclaxton · (edited)
Nice one Bernie!
I've Upvoted this post with my full 0.07 worth! 😂 
I expect the same generous vote back mate!
Have a good Sunday! 
Cheers 
DC 🎼 

https://steemit.com/music/@darrenclaxton/escapism-pt-2-instrumental-music-by-darren-claxton
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@nokodemion ·
$0.06
??? You could also upvote yourself and grasp those curation rewards in the process.
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@darrenclaxton · (edited)
I need to give myself that 0.03 Upvote!
Why? Because I'm worth it! 😂
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@kennybobs · 
It had never even occurred to me to vote for myself, I thought it was a bit of a dick move.

But if everyone else is doing it…
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@almashridoy · 
Upvote own post is like as sucking own penis. Do you want to do this?? 😈😈
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@enthef · 
What is going on here? I believe I missed something. Wouldn't you want to give yourself most of the votes/power relative to your total?  What would be a good percentage to upvote yourself vs everyone else? Am I on the right track here?
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@dickienature · 
I open a new account for one of my friends and guess what is trending, This! LOL 
You guys ... great example of steemians, whales, and flagging. 
Gotta love our whales,
Eagle Spirit
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@berniesanders · 
Yea, we wouldn't want people to see how things really run around here...
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@beggars · 
We have to keep the carpet clean so our guests don't see what this place is really like until they frustratingly spend their first-month earning cents on the dollar and asking why nobody upvotes their content and they're not making money like promised. A quality platform, great development by Dan "The Man" Larimer and Ned "I hire bad devs" Scott.
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@samsisisi · 
Nice.
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@momoriso · 
great post
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@mdshaonhasan341 · 
I am interested please tell me how can I buy?
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@ssjsasha ·
$0.54
I don't get how anyone can attack you for upvoting yourself...

You constantly run contests and allow people to earn a big upvote, regardless if its "guess a number" or "make a meme out of this picture" it is ramping up activity.

Haejin on the other hand, gotta give it to him he is consistent as fuck. Posting 10x a day and upvoting himself to the time especially with ranchorelaxo's massive help...

differences are:

@berniesanders gets people talking and commenting,

he upvotes a lot of other people, sometimes even upvoting everyone who comments on his posts.

haejin and rancho do not. they keep it all for themselves...

@berniesanders has personally done a lot, he has made my day many times weather its a simple upvote or by coming to my account and upvoting every post & comment...

I got his back no matter what...people think he is a dick with his direct and no BS attitude but he is humble and genuinely cares about this blockchain and some of its users
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@shawnsporter ·
$0.02
The flagging peeps then upvoting his comments on the post: I honestly would get pissed about this, but don't know if the posts deserved it. If they did, then work the system!
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@space-pictures ·
$0.02
Capital accumulation. Whoever takes the most resources accumulates resources more quickly, and thus has the power to keep taking those resources. Sure, you can get rid of people who abuse this "too much", but the most powerful person will always be the one dancing on the edge and trying to push the amount they can take to greater heights. There is no being a good person under capitalism, there is only those who oppress and those who are "nice enough" to allow themselves to be oppressed.
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@mcoinz79 · 
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@steemvest17 · 
Hahahahaah
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@ibrahim.sunny · 
Your writing is so good.
Noce blog
Nobody Upvote me 😑 I am you Flowr
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@programmingvalue ·
$0.09
huh?
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@freddio · 
!popcorn
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@popcornexpress · 
![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmeeDoA6WcBKFFaNZbw54c23ytFzwkwa1cJvT6iXCpo8Le/601.gif)
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@mardax · 
What if in next patch Steemit will be blocking possibility to upvote yourself. TBH this will solve problem for forever xD
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@nokodemion · (edited)
$0.03
lol, back to school, then you make a "sockpuppet" account, to vote on yourself.
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@mardax · (edited)
I won't upvote myself by my main account or others accounts. So you can also go back to school and learn that licking your own balls is not the best way to be happy :D
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@afril29 · 
be a positive thinking please.... hehheeh
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@jacobtothe · 
I upvote my own posts at 100%.

I also upvote almost every other post I support at 100%, and I try to create content I would be willing to 100% upvote if I saw it from someone else. I never use votebots. All the Steem I have was earned by getting upvotes from others, rather than by paying cash or trading crypto. And when Steem spiked last time, I was starting to think about reducing my self-votes because it started to feel sketchy for me even as a small dolphin.

[/my2¢]
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@bearbear613 · (edited)
$0.03
fight fight fight fight itchy and scratchy show
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@steemybot · 
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@cityofstars · 
last time in HF20 update i heard that, self upvote rewards will go to something called rewards pool

am i right ?
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@pwny · 
There is a delicate balance between upvoting others and upvoting yourself. Include delegations and auto voting and the issue becomes even more complicated.
Steem is having growing pains but the people here want things to work. This will settle eventually as long as we all keep our eyes in the same direction.
Facebook had a 400 billion USD market cap and a lot of that money may move to Steem. So play nicely folks.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@chryptos ·
$0.05
So Angry. :( Have a cup of tea. :)
👍  ,
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@beggars · (edited)
I am slightly confused. Were you not going after Haejin and others for doing the same thing? In your defence, you do give out upvotes to other people, so you're not a total vote hoarder, but this change of attitude towards self-voting has me confused.

I recall when your account was severely negative that you stated the only reason you upvote is to make your posts visible because otherwise they would be hidden on Steemit. But when the community rallied to help get you out of negative hell, you still continued to vote up your own content.

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with self-upvoting. If people want to do it, go right ahead. I feel like HF20 did more damage to Steem than self-upvoting ever could. Steemit Inc is already doing a great job destroying whatever potential Steem has as a platform with their shoddy development work.

The only thing that bothers me and honestly, my opinion doesn't count for much so it doesn't really matter anyway, is when people are not consistent or say one thing and do another. 

The way I see it, you can't self-upvote in one breath and in the same breath criticise someone else for self-upvoting or using proxy accounts. People like Haejin might not have participated in the community or shared their voting power like you do, but at the end of the day it's all self-serving and doesn't matter if you're giving out small upvotes as well as upvoting your own content.

I think the problem as you highlight is, what is the incentive for someone with large amounts of SP to upvote other content? There is none. The curation rewards system is complex and poorly engineered, so you have to time it right to get the tiniest of rewards for "curating" content.

Realistically, STINC needs to swing the hammer and de-incentivise self-voting and incentivise upvoting other peoples content. That's the solution. Give people a reason to upvote content other than their own, I have no problem with whales being rewarded for giving out large SP upvotes, it would be great for the ecosystem and participation.
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@berniesanders · 
I commented regarding this above.
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@moemanmoesly · 
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@dhmuqtadir · 
yeah
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@martinmcfly · 
That seems reasonable.

http://i.imgur.com/erLX2DQ.gif
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@hoaxnope · 
!popcorn
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@nascimentoab · 
Here the discussion is just for high level! ;D
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@feelsomoon · 
I don't care what others do with their upvotes but i agree that the flagging has to stop. People shouldn't flag you because they don't like what you're doing. Unless something is illegal I could not care less what others do.
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@transisto · (edited)
> Use your own voting power on yourself, THEN upvote others.

If you remove the "THEN" part it make sense in terms of upkeeping Steem's value that's derived from some of it's stakeholders not putting Self-upvoting first and flagging.

No need to tell people to prioritize self-upvoting when it's already what 99% of the stake is doing in one way or another and promoting that to the front-page.
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@berniesanders · 
I don't see you doing anything encouraging people to buy Steem and actually giving them a valid reason to do so.
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@empar · 
A lot of people do that men, weather of this is to win some money publishing every thing interesting, whatever, I thinks so a lot of people create fake account to do that, it not my case of course hahaha
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@itstime · 
I think all of us should take a break an revisit this in a week...

https://media.giphy.com/media/TBXlEhCiia69G/giphy.gif

I have feeling it be gone by then...
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@kimmysomelove42 · 
So this is the key to making bizillians of dollars swear a lot.... mmmmm are you making stuffs up?  Shite, this post has made 571.77 THAT IS FreKIN  ridiculous!  Is that all by you and your upvotes?  I get excited when I get .20 BAAAAAA   WHAT is GOING ON?   As usual I'm clueless, but I do like @meno and I voted for @helpie as a witness this week, so there ya have it....
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@goldendarkness · 
I dont get you guys, really. Getting ahead is easy for you. You have a position, people respect you and you guys instead of working through the differences and benefiting from it, you fight.
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@libert · 
I read that, 'Absolutely nobody' in mcgregor's voice. Hilarious! 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@dhn0411 · 
What’s wrong weong with antivax? Do you still take boosters? Did you get the bgc vaccine for tuberculosis? Oh so you must be antivaxxer.
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@berniesanders · 
That is a retarded ass argument.
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@silent.screamer · 
Lol. Well everyone would just become a whale if it was legit. Good post anyways.
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@enzoadjordan · 
lol! agree with you man! bet it is done by if not all, many but only you have the guts to publish this kinda mind-blowing post! hahaha! you got my vote, man!
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@adriangiotto · (edited)
can't this be done? I totally agree with you, brother! I'm on it actually. lol! :-D
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@margbarrutti · 
well, yeah! makes a lot of sense. no wonder it is trending on the #1 spot! I agree with you! this can be done, why not?
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@angelina-sophia · 
I want to buy Steen power
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@phusionphil · 
Lol no way, so easy. I just found out about delegation.
👍  
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@demarcoaug9 · 
a very honest post, right? couldn't agree more with you, man! hands-up!!
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@mikefromtheuk · 
Infighting on Steem never goes well. 🤣
👍  ,
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@lawrence93 · 
totally correct..is no body
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@programmingvalue ·
$0.09
You do you Bernie.
👍  ,
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@khairulmuammar · 
many Steemit users in my area have stopped. it's all because the STEEM / SBD prices are very cheap, the results of hard work to get STEEM / SBD are not suitable, because the prices are cheap. and I also see that there are no more new users active in Steemit, like last year. and I see this has no solution.
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@rony01919 · 
Fulltimegeek supports so many accounts, Bernie as well, you fucking run Dtube of all things,Mark flags spammers and abusers all day long...
And you guys are here flagging each other? What in the fuck!?
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@sereze · 
If there is an option to upvote yourselft, people will take it
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@online87700 · 
great idea and good way to earn , i never thought abt this , thank you
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@mrnightmare89 · 
yes you are right, us may influence others for voting them but how about us, we are doing hard to earned it so I think there's no big deal in upvoting our own, i understand your content.. 

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@nickalexg · 
This is absolutely true, People use different accounts that they own and just upvote their own account! BULLSHIT
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@wstanley226 · 
Very true.

Posted using [Partiko Android](https://steemit.com/@partiko-android)
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@brayan123adam · 
Es rentable completamente invertir en steem pawer ya que al aumentar mas poder de voto generas mas impacto en lo que subas y en lo que comentes, inviertes vas generando y luego mas a delante veras las ganancias.
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@ketopian · (edited)
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I like steemit because it allows us to first value our efforts and then value the works of others. 

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@philipkavan · 
I have read your post before.But honestly I have no clue how can you make so much by writing this kinds of post.I don't know where all those votes come form.

Anyway just do what you are doing.Don't care about the flags.I love the amount of engagement people make in your post.It is amazing and interesting at the same time.
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@rex.imperator · 
What's the point of steem anyway? I don't get it. I don't see any good posts.
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@a0x1 ·
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@kkarenmp · 
I think the tension is something strong here, I do not understand much because the discussion but I think the platform as well is a Social Network and good one should help yourself, although here the whales only help each other and you have a lot of reason in vote for @helpie as a witness we should all do that I know that you are already a witness so my vote is for greetings
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@accra · 
whales and their Whale problems, Us minnows have no say nor any real value on this platform . it seems like these big wallets greed pits the against each other and when ever they dont like something they start down voting shit... 

I agree that if you spent money on SP then you have a right to self vote, its not against any rules or else it wouldnt be an option on the protocol... if it was such an issue then the devs would remove selfvoting from the code... but its not and you dickheads just love swinging those VP's around like your compensating for something...

self important pricks
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@dominicbaitan · 
Well haejin got his rep more or less completely from rancho and his 1M SP. If you would create 10 posts per day and have 1M SP to upvote this posts you would push your rep veeeery high xD
I may be wrong but I think at least 90% of his rewards were created by ranchos votes.
👍  
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@arcange · 
Congratulations @berniesanders!
Your post was mentioned in the [Steemit Hit Parade](https://steemit.com/hit-parade/@arcange/daily-hit-parade-20181014) in the following categories:

* Comments - Ranked 4 with 220 comments
* Pending payout - Ranked 2 with $ 565,6
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@masterthematrix ·
$0.45
So whats the deal? You are spamming the trending page just because you need your self-vote? Do you feel not worthy enough to give anything good back to this community? 
Now you want revange and everybody needs to hear it right? Go Home Boy and Cry with Mom! This place here is nothing for you!

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@berniesanders · (edited)
Enjoy nobody ever seeing anything you post again.

I’ll be back later to remove all of your rewards. 

Ignorant wannabe troll.
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@masterthematrix ·
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Now you start flaggin minnows what a great achievement!!! Be proud of yourself!!!
I don't even waste my SP flaggin your post, but I know you don't care... you just want to be mad.
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@platomaniac · 
yes we can vote me back , i like your style
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@elderson · (edited)
I agree. And starting interacting in the comment threads too. We putting in work over here
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@coolpeopleifb · 
Stop spending so much time arguing and help some newbies out. Why the hell cant I buy Steem with a credit card? I have to open 47 accounts to do so?
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@gre3n · 
You posted for months speaking out against hajin, now your out right admiting you vote for yourself. I noticed you done this for a long time. Honestly I don't care if people vote for themselves or not at this point its not doing me any harm. I'll enjoy the few cents I make every now and then.
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@steem-ua · 
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@rulesforrebels · 
This actually makes a lot of sense. i recently started powering down to keep my steem liquid. I kind of had the same thought as you, why am I tying up my money to benefit others. DOn't get me wrong I like to be generous with upvotes and help others. Its also somewhat frowned upon to be upvoting yourself all the time so if you decide to "invest" or tie up your money in steem power, its for the most part benefitting others and not yourself unless you constnatly upvote yourself.
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@brianphobos · 
You are one of the only Steemians that everytime I read your posts I'm fully entertained with a smile on my face and I'm laughing.  Everything from the titles to the tags!  Thanks Bernie!
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@berniesanders · 
I try!  I'm here for your entertainment (and to make some money)!
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@runridefly · 
@berniesanders, this is fucking amazing and groundbreaking news.  You make more by investing in Steem and upvoting your own posts.  Not sure if I ever told you, but I always thought you were the most entertaining accounts on the Steem Blockchain.  I guess we all need to be flagged, because most upvote their own content.  Always enjoyed and appreciate your comments.
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@cowboysblog · 
The more I'm around this blockchain the more I see rivalries and almost clan like groups. I'm not advocating either side, I'm just noticing all this and keeping my popcorn in hand.

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@berniesanders · 
!popcorn indeed sir
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@popcornexpress · 
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@matthewtiii · 
I love coming to this channel! I learn something new every time I read the comments section.
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@access · 
Upvoting yourself simply makes sense... if it would be a bad thing, they wouldn't have allowed you to upvote your own posts. Simple as that.  :)

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@stephanus · 
Delegate to me. I vote for you. Problem solved.
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