Moving to hive by berniesanders

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· @berniesanders · (edited)
$206.84
Moving to hive
Fuck you Justin, we're moving to Hive.

![Fuck Justin Sun](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQVgFgxxxpN1jEZwSYH1tfxjynXikKBcTPwtSfxhTMCVY/fuck.gif)
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@nebcat ·
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@berniesanders ·
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It's not really that strange.  He's always been a part of the @curie project and now he's taking advantage of the trail that was built by using it to upvote his own posts.
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@patelincho ·
Wasunt the original idea of whales not voting also prevent this tipe of abuse ? 
Seems its easy to downvote the minnows posts but when it come to the big fishes ......
And no is not weird  dont forget this is Steemit !
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@nebcat ·
$0.02
Wow, okay, I get it now.
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@jamesbrown · (edited)
$3.69
But isn't the trail that he's using technically a whale?  And isn't the "whale experiment" still running (whales vote to neutralize the effects of other whale votes)?

...where's the neutralizing down-votes?
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@patelincho ·
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Is not only him ......... but who i am to judge !
After the whales stop voting several trails , guilds take advantige of  the new rules .
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@missk ·
"The Daily Trenders"  It has gotten so old, I quit paying attention.
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@zeartul ·
circle it off will ya!
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@cryptogee ·
ROFL!

*Cg*
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@kurtbeil ·
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# #rewardpoolrape 
.. vry good tag ..anyone pointing out such abuse should make use of it!

My personal take ..mfers never upvoted me, so weapons free baby!! ;)
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@tommycordero ·
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Hadn't even noticed the tag lol
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@oldtimer ·
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Good advice.
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@nepd ·
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That's an incredible amount of rewards. Not wanting to talk away anything from anyone, but I'd love to see some more creative non steem posts get that sort of traction.
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@domenicthomas ·
I've been trying to publish decent stuff for weeks, but it's just hard to break through. I get 40 votes and make 4 bucks and then I see posts with 20 make $200. If it ain't crypto or steemit, it ain't nuthin'...
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@candy49 ·
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@jamesbrown · (edited)
We've already been down that road ...it will be more of the same.
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@manandezo ·
$1.61
This is why I feel so sad. I know my posts are not THAT good, sometimes even mediocres and I don't deserve many votes, but yesterday and today I created something community would really like, and I just received some cents. Sorry for venting a little here, @berniesanders, but I do agree with you and I think some earn TOO much and others almost NOTHING!

I know you are trying to make us all aware of a huge problem and I thank you for that. (I hope my English is comprehensible!)
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@mindhunter ·
Skilled words my brother @manandezo. Comment UV :)
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@ackza ·
ill upvote your new creation, what is it? ill go look in your posts
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@clayboyn ·
$0.41
Personally I don't get how this is allowed to happen.  I spent almost a year on the platform before even being approached about curating and the thought to use it for personal gain never even crossed my mind.  @curie are you aware of this?  If so please let me know so I can remove myself from the trail.  If not, can we please remove abuse like this from the curation community.
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@solarguy ·
The trails killed me.  Hardfork 18 just obscured them.  Didn't fix Shyte.
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@countryinspired ·
$0.07
I have definitely noticed that the majority of the rewards are being allocated to a handful of users... I am just collecting what Steem I can from my posts and riding the waves.
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@onetree ·
$0.08
You and me both 😁
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@countryinspired ·
I actually miss the days of the whale votes.  I enjoyed getting 400 steem payouts for some of my posts.
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@shaheer001 ·
Few whales are really doing well job but maximum are quite.
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@majes ·
That's what I was thinking...
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@demotruk ·
$3.93
I agree with you on the issue of the same people receiving the bulk of the author rewards.

Reward pool linearisation may partially fix it. If it persists, I think [payout recommendations](https://steemit.com/steemit/@demotruk/up-and-down-votes-are-a-big-part-of-the-problem-on-steemit) would further reduce it.
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@justinashby ·
Hmm... interesting...
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@natord ·
This is a controversial issue, i think. 

On the one hand it's not fair that he gets such great rewards for posts, which he write 1 hour (for example).

But on the other hand he spent a lot of time and effort to create such a reputation and become a top author. Even if it was done through the publication of other people's posts through his account.

Now we see how the reputation works for the person. Reputation is a dishonest method to get votes here? It's hard to say.
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@jamesbrown ·
If something is earned through hard work then I have no problem with it.  If what berniesanders suggests is true, that he's using his curation trail to upvote his own posts to the moon,...well, that seems more like gaming the system than earning his just rewards.
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@bnoise · (edited)
I don't even know what a curation trail is, I assume is people or bots voting without reading.
The trending page sucks since a long time.
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@moon32walker ·
$3.89
I think people are too lazy to adjust their bots to level the play field a little. Status quo stays and there are no improvements made, I'm not blaming anyone here, bot system and trails rarely change and that is the main issue. You can't blame just one author. Many more are abusing the same system.

Top payers job gets very easy when they know for certain the big rewards are surely coming their way. That is not the case for most other users on the platform. 
I never joined any curator team even though I would to an excellent job there, everything I do is organically solo with just my main account. 
Nothing against Orcas, they do mean well, it's just that rewards are too uneven and that goes for way too long. #diplomaticpost
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@meysam ·
$0.02
lots of trails are just upvoting their comments and not even the posts, they used to be more supportive before
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@bitcoinparadise ·
I thought your downvotes was supposed to stop posts from being "over-rewarded"
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@berniesanders ·
$2.81
I don't understand the question, or, is that a question?
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@skapaneas ·
$3.82
He is the main reason I removed every curator recently if I am to be honest
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@shayne ·
$0.09
Interesting. 

This is an issue of which I've only been peripherally aware. 

The comments here are very educational. 

Upvoted 
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@bacchist ·
$5.87
This has only been going on like 10 months now... 

The worst part is it's stuff that actually *degrades* the broad appeal that the site could have, in theory. If Steem was actually a meritocracy, gavvet's posts would not be among the most prominent.
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@richardjuckes ·
As I see it, the main value of this site is community building, and so I also think that,  even if by some miracle this kind of info-post crawled up to some notional internet standard,  the whole vision of steemit as some kind of content-farm on steriods completely misses the point. 

But this opportunity cost is a best-cast senario because, as you say, any informed reader, or writer, who gets sent here by google and sees what is getting valued at $200 can't help but think the place a joke, with the inevitable pop of the bubble as the punchline. For other reasons, I think STEEM will be a success story, and unfortunately these _content-farm 101_ posts are a burden we all have to carry.
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@jtest ·
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdghRwWfaOQ
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@yogi.artist ·
$3.72
I seem to remember a similar thing occurring with the endless featured posts coming from his account last year, effectively renting out his account as a platform to 'promote' others, in exchange for half the posts' profits, but zero the workload. Pimptastic!
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@avilsd ·
So is it that bots are involved as well? I'm a bit confused with how that all would work. I get that the repetitive content can get a little tiring (and also it's a nice way to play the system) but reading some of the comments here are making me more confused
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@reddust ·
$0.07
This is the reason why I haven't joined curation guilds.
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@richardjuckes ·
$0.06
A big-upvote for manual curration!
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@freebornangel ·
If haters didn't hate, i'd be rich now,....
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@mindhunter · (edited)
$5.72
I agree with you Bernie. I am sick to death of seeing the same 8-10 faces in the Trending page day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after ... ad infinitum .... [done for effect!]

#rewardpoolrape #janitorsunited / UV /RS / @fyrstikken rules for eternity alongside Bernie = SUPER NICE AND VERY COOL - Helps with the mood :)
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@manandezo ·
$0.06
Undersigned!
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@mindhunter ·
<3 Hunter heart stamped! <3
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@karenb54 ·
I keep getting flagged because I earn €10 more than they think I should earn.  Its annoying and not fair
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@cristof ·
I don't care how much someone earns, no matter how long it took to generate content, or any other factor. I do care that the system is constructed in such a way that it automatically rewards people regardless of the true value of the post, as determined by the Steemians themselves.

Look, I'm a libertarian. People can earn whatever they want, and I don't care. It isn't relevant to me how much people earn, or for what. Posts I think are inane earn big dollars; others that I think are great additions to the community do poorly. That means nothing--*as long as the system truly rewards those whose posts contribute to the community*. If the system can be scammed, or set up to automatically reward posts of any quality at all from a particular user, then that changes the equation.

Frankly, I'm interested in becoming a guy that earns--really EARNS--hundreds of dollars a day from his work in this place. But I only want that if I'm damn good, and known to be so. I want that for my own original contents, stuff I made, or analyzed, or constructed (curation, for me, is different--the star of the zoo is the *lion*, not the zookeeper, and that's how the rewards should flow) to be what is rewarded. The size of the reward doesn't matter.

But the work does. That's how I see it, anyway.
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@rubenalexander ·
Tbh, I wish everyone got those rewards everyday.
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@uwelang ·
$4.68
Valid points - i have no insights on the background here but as others said the trending is full of nearly the same people everyday which is not bad per se - maybe these user provide the best content, others to judge! 

@berniesanders - i remember you kicked my ass once for a circle jerk too lol - you might not remember such a minnow though.

I am taking what i get here which is more as on Facebook and sometimes am happy for not being a whale, next second i think to pump in some hundreds of thousands to become a whale and have control a bit - we will see. 

Namaste!
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@ausbitbank ·
We need an easy way to be able to follow curation trails, without autovoting the curator themselves (or at least a set limit per day/week).

I really hope @xeroc can add this to streemian. Nobodies motivated by curation rewards when they can just spam and autovote with their own trail.

Real tempted to flag but dont wanna incur the wrath of gavvets magic undies.
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@jamesbrown ·
> Real tempted to flag but dont wanna incur the wrath of gavvets magic undies.

Where's our dark knight?  It certainly ain't me. lol
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@luzcypher ·
[![circle jerks.jpg](https://s18.postimg.org/4glk7t96x/circle_jerks.jpg)](https://postimg.org/image/h7zqebiyt/)
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@ackza ·
Lets start blasting this selfish pricks posts with Flags! If we ALL flag his posts it will definitely hurt his scam!
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@aggroed ·
$7.02
https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://steemitimages.com/DQmQARhd9LzZjnmq2HBfbt6N2yEDRZrCv8fqWn7RRKCg4Kj/respect.jpg

This post reminds me of someone...
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@benjojo ·
Hi bernie, as someone who has fallen foul of this kind of situation before, I've commented in one of Gavvet's posts and asked him to decline payout on more than one of his steemit stats update posts per week.  I think you are right to raise this issue now as you were when I was getting rewarded too much for my memes.  I hope this helps.
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@hitmeasap ·
This has been going on ever since I first joined Steemit. I saw it immediately. However, even I had some superb results during my first couple of weeks here. (Mostly due to Dan's upvotes.. But even your upvotes Bernie.) - That being said, I'm honored and I appreciate every single upvote I got back in the day, because that made me money. Nowadays, I'm earning a few cents here and there but I still appreciate each upvote I get. Sure, the money is obviously a huge deal here but I appreciate the gesture more than anything. The money is a bonus. However, it's kind of boring to see the same people having $200+ posts each day and some of them multiple times per day too.. Meanwhile another sucker earns nickels and dimes no matter what I do. - I guess I ran out of luck.. But hey, the lightning can strike twice. - That's proven on Steemit.
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@mammasitta · (edited)
That's very interesting! 
I don't understand those actions and their tricky skills, why nobody stopped them yet, like most got flagged  in the name of The Experiment. 
Oh well ! Thanks for "teaching" me about those members .
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@dawidrams ·
It's catch 22...
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@solarguy ·
Dude,  this post slipped my feed. wth!!  One thing that has kept me going is knowing that at some point the tide will turn.  I kept being me even after the post that brought me down.  But yea, things are still fishy.  So happy I am a Manual voter, 100%. I do like some of his work as I do all the top dogs writings, but something is fishy!!! still.
👍  
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@cryptogee ·
Yup, the trending page is slowly sliding back to the Steemit love-in society.

*Cg*
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@barvon ·
Wow, this is amazing for master @gavvet
I like it, good job @berniesanders
I shared this post (Resteem), so that everyone knows who the master is.
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@dreamiely ·
Great to have this out there. Waiting game if issue can be resolved. 

What we can do is support quality content as much as possible. I've been guilty myself on scrolling down if I see that a post has not gotten that much attention, something like the price equatinh to quality lol. Followed everyone on this trail and will upvote/resteem various work =^_^=
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@itinerantph ·
Amazing! Followed you now. Hope to interact with you more soon. :)
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@technocomanche · (edited)
$0.07
Join U in which Enterprise? https://steemitimages.com/0x0/https://steemitimages.com/0x0/http://i.imgur.com/TNX4NgV.gif
And what's Ur 'real job'?
👍  , , ,
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@deez ·
I thought you had enough power vote  to down vote him?
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