War on spam - I call the things as they are (about plagiarism and flagging) by inber

waronspam · @inber · Aug 24 '17

$5.34

War on spam - I call the things as they are (about plagiarism and flagging)

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<p>Hi guys:)</p>
<p>Today it's not in a vlog format, but about steemit again. Not VLOG because today I already have no forces for it, I'll make the next one next week:)&nbsp;</p>
<p>So, about war on spam. And especially about new users who mix up steemit with facebook.</p>
<p>Today I had another unpleasent conversation (yes, my mute list grows bigger and bigger). And concerning it I want to ask a tiny question.&nbsp;</p>
<p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Captain_copyright.jpg" width="377" height="265"/></p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Copyright">Source</a></p>
<h3>No source images and videos - what is it?</h3>
<p>Yes, we call it plagiarism here. Plagiarism is the situation when you pretend that something is your creation, while in fact it is not. So technically it's stealing, a form of stealing. Am I right? Or not?</p>
<p>In my conversations with newbies who begin their comments with "Nice post! Now please follow me and check out my content!" I usually use this word quite often. Because usually if a spammer like this asks what he does wrong I begin explaining. Yes, without "Oh, you dearest person in the world, please listen to me and don't be naughty again!". No, I just listing. Check out his blog, of course, and then listing.</p>
<ul>
  <li><em>1. You comments at the moment are considered spam here. It you copy-paste the same comment to multiple posts over and over again it leads to down votes and loose of reputation.</em></li>
  <li><em>2. It's not considered normal to ask for votes and followers here.</em></li>
  <li><em>3. You have stolen content in your blog, you have to put source if you use someone's else images or videos.&nbsp;</em></li>
  <li><em>4. Such actions are inappropriate here, it can lead to report to steemcleaners</em></li>
</ul>
<p>May be it sounds offensive? Or how it sounds? Perhaps it's more pleasant to hear that "your content is plagiarized" then "your content is stolen"? Two words - same meaning here. Technically it's the same. Especially when money is involved, and here on steemit it's involved.</p>
<p>At the moment I'm already "the bitch of the century", "have shitty drawings" (oh, really? They were nice in a second before, in your "please follow me" comment), "wear fucking pants" (or something like that, don't actually remember, muted the guy before writing this post).</p>
<p><img src="https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20992552_501990503473449_6205754671684133737_n.jpg?oh=04f33156fce72b520d388c63ad9520e6&amp;oe=5A1953D8" width="700" height="460"/></p>
<p><a href="http://www.diploma-degree.com/">Created here</a></p>
<p>OK:) In fact all of this is OK, I just mute and go on. Comments "shitty" about my work worry me as much as comments "nice". Not at all, I mean. And the reason is simple - I work as an illustrator for long enough to not to react on unasked "critique" at all.</p>
<p>About bitch - who knows? One thing I can say for sure I'm really not a nice sweet person. &nbsp;And answering the question "What I did wrong" I don't cover my interlocutor with angel dust, don't put him a soft pillow under his ass and don't offer a cup of coffee.&nbsp;</p>
<p>And yes, I have awesome pants:) Off-topic:)</p>
<p>So dear newbies. Covering me with filthy language (I used the term right? Not sure. Had to google it) doesn't change anything. Especially the fact that if your content is not created by you - it's stolen. Put the source. And spend at least a few days on the platform watching how it works BEFORE spamming everything you see and louting everyone who tells you that it's not the way to go.</p>
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@everittdmickey · Aug 24 '17

crypto mining is like gold mining...a bunchaton of useless 'stuff' must be sifted thru to find a tiny flake of value.

Finding people to follow on Steemit is much the same...my slush pile (mute list) probably numbers in the thousands.  I follow 44 people. 

It's the nature of the game.
99% of everything is BullShit.

👍 noemilunastorta, wernertek

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@inber · Aug 24 '17 (edited)

I think soon I'm going to follow your example. I yet don't have thousands people in my mute list, but the further it goes - the more I see it as a solution

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@everittdmickey · Aug 24 '17

yup...I'm VERY free at muting.


Some I mute on reflex. ..beggars..... religion, flat earth, conspiracy, occult, bogus 'science' (UFO)...aliens.....porn...'get rich quick'...like that.

Some times I like to ridicule them first THEN mute them...I'm not a very nice guy.

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1 reply

@gavinthegreat · Aug 24 '17

Great post @inber

You are a great community member. Flagging should be done wisely and is needed. It is great we have people like you.

I recently made a post on the subject. Shameless plug.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@gavinthegreat/flag-spam-the-opposite-of-what-is-needed

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

I completely agree that it shouldn't be abused (as you said in your post). 
But copy-pasting is an abusive behavior as well. And transition to individuals (not sure that I translated it right, I mean when instead of talking about the subject someone starts talking about a person) is abusing as well.

👍 gavinthegreat

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@gavinthegreat · Aug 24 '17 (edited)

Yes you cant just go copy pasting giving no credit and offering absolutely no more to the information. What bothers me most is copy paste comments. Where you can see straight from their comment they didn't even read the post or look at the picture. Outright stolen stuff should be flagged straight away. Flagging is a great tool. I just don't want to see it go to peoples heads. At least you understand what steemit is about and are a good judge of that kind of thing.

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@vitkolesnik · Aug 24 '17

The number of spam comments, most of them asking for follow, is really worrying. Sometimes they are the only kind of comments to a quality post and it f feels so weird.

👍 noemilunastorta

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

It really is! That leads me to another question: what's the point of putting effort if feedback looks like this? It's not about me, I draw anyway, if I post it or not, but in the cases when I write specially for steemit - it confuses.

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@vitkolesnik · Aug 24 '17

I wonder what makes them think that this kind of comments is a successful strategy, otherwise they wouldn't write them.

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@andrewgenaille · Aug 24 '17

$0.18

Yes.   "Filthy language" is correct. 

I don't understand their insult about wearing pants though.  

I'm trying to picture that insult on the street,  two people mad at each other. 

"You're a jerk."
"Wear pants!!"

It doesn't seem like a good insult. He needs to work on it.

👍 lisagenaille, andrewgenaille, heathergirl, erinsteinberg, adriabuddjohnson, stefanymathias

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

In fact I don't remember what exactly he said, but pants were involved:)

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@noemilunastorta · Aug 24 '17

"In my conversations with newbies who begin their comments with "Nice post! Now please follow me and check out my content!" ...Oh God, i liked a lot your post, this sentence of the newbies tormented me too,  it's like they do not want make good post they just want getting upvotes without writing their own, personal, original post ( Good or bad this is another matter, but original post are ok) . I am very sick of spam and i think it is not respectful of those who respect the community rules, like always write the sources ^^

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

I'm glad you understand me. Plus it's disrespectful to the author of the post. You put effort, create it, ans immediately get some "follow me" in comments. Crazy stuff

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@noemilunastorta · Aug 25 '17

true! i think they do not read the post at all, they just comment without reading what we write..

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@siucatti · Aug 24 '17

I posted something yesterday and had the unpleasant surprise of finding one of these types of people you described. I think the most healthy thing to do is just flagging them and  if they insist just mute them. All your art is amazing and never let anyone tell you the contrary :)

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

They're everywhere. Really pleasant till they want something from you, and quickly rude if you say "No". Like pick-up men lol:)

👍 siucatti

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@distantsignal · Aug 24 '17

I feel like a lot of these generic comments are also being fueled by bots.  I went through my following list today and realized that I had followed a few bots because I had followed them after a nice comment that in retrospect was canned.  

I'm really hoping that this upcoming update is going to solve some of these problems.

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@inber · Aug 24 '17

What update do you mean? I missed something?:)

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@distantsignal · Aug 24 '17

A lot of these "nice post, follow me!" comments are also being generated by automated programs designed to capture your SteemPower payout.  I had a few that I thought were real people because I didn't investigate who they were and followed them impulsively.

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@hustletoparadise · Aug 25 '17

I think it's only natural for quality profiles to be following at most 500 people or less. I've seen profiles that say the follow 1,000s or perhaps 10,000s+ ... and it's quite ridiculous. 

I've been on SteemIt for awhile, and still, only have followed people that I only perhaps want to read content that interests me ... so I agree that it's pretty disturbing that there is always spam content asking to upvote and follow them ... which I just simply immediately ignore cause I've become so use to those spam comments all the time.

As for plagiarized content, sometimes it can be easily seen via the way the article is written, otherwise, I sometimes like to scroll down to comments to see if the cheetahbot has caught plagiarized content.

I don't get how people can be so lazy to not at last take the time to write out the source of images either right below the image, or at the end of the SteemIt post.

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@inber · Aug 25 '17

They really mix up steemit and facebook. They're not lazy, they got used to no punishment for plagiarism. Before joining steemit I thought that it looks like that only in my country, copyright really in nearly an empty word here. But now I see that I was wrong, and it's a worldwide problem.

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@jungwatercolor · Aug 25 '17

Thank you so much for this post, especially for those 1 and 2 replays for bots. Must admit I have been struggling for days what to do when I see something like that in comments for my post. And I still see myself here as new, being here just three months, but I see thing are changing from day to day..So many things just posting "£$%%^ whatever...Yea You are right, some mixed this place with FB. So I will use your first two sentences if I am allowed for those annoying and stupid comments.

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@inber · Aug 25 '17

Of course you're allowed to use them, I did not invent them:) They're just truth. Be ready to hear that you're "^$^)&^$@*", whatever

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