Thats deep. I have some crazy music spinning on my radio right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-X8Od77s0U

I think psychopaths can come about like sociopaths when they take illegal substances that turns their heads.

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The interesting thing with this Era is how we finally can build systems that works as Good People Training Academies and make it scale. By training regular people to empower themselves, using accountability and responsibility. 

As most people are the so called label "good", scaling a peer-to-peer Social Capital economy will be of no issue. As capital will eventually move into areas that benefit the whole community. In history manipulation and the use of various "dark traits" has been highly successful in be a success in evolution. 

In this new Economy people can scale and leverage others dark traits even. So even if someone does something that mainly works for them the network effect will make so it at the same time raise awareness of the whole space and making "good" people be triggered and be more action takers. 

Humans are experts at organise ideal Tribe systems and we done it so much that just doing it in a digital way will create an identical effect as to what we did mainly in the physical arena in the past. We are all here because we had survival traits. Anyone that was 100% selfish would not be a human right now as the gene-pool would have filtered that out. 

Surely there are all kinds of variations of Life (people) that has been developed here. The best we can do is to normalise empowerment. Making value flow to people growing the network. Making people feel more included and training people to take more actions and to show their trust and dedication. 

A lot of the weirdness that has happened in gene pools has been because of a scarcity system that has made many isolated for years. Massive inclusion and majority of the weirdness --> Fear and Scarcity, will go away.

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I feel like most psychological disorders are sort of like race. We look at someone and call a black person black or a white person white, but the reality is we're all a spectrum of all the diversity that's evolved here on Earth.

I think people's psyche are more like x% sociopath and y%psychopath, but the ones that are like 80-90% psychopath, we just call psychopaths, just like someone who is probably above 80% decedent from Africa, we'd just call black/African/African American etc.

Bit of a weird analogy but the point is I think people can definitely have some of these traits, but not be a full on sociopath or psychopath, not sure about psychopaths if that's an innate thing, but people that grow up in cultures that like you mentioned praise "manliness" and condemn "weakness", most of the (probably male) population has some degree of these tendencies. Seems that way to me at least.

I think that perhaps in the situation with the boat, a psychopath might have actually had a greater chance of saving the person. They work harder to fit in. Sociopaths still have normal emotions to a degree, they're just warped. A psychopath might realize that saving the person might be better for them, as they might be seen as a hero, where as if they did nothing, they could be found out as a psychopath.

Great insight as to these details I have never really considered as we sometimes tend to live in a bubble.  However, this becomes more relevant given the challenges and behaviors we see going on in the world today.  So scary to consider given how closely we now live amongst communities.

It's a very complex issue, to be sure. I find myself wondering how many of these people are "created" as a sort of backwash from what has become — in essence — a very narcissistic and self-involved society. We live in "Selfie-world" where every day we are subjected to the collective "highlight reels" of everyone's lives, perhaps giving rise to levels of envy, jealousy, competition... leading to levels of rage we have not previously seen. 

Meanwhile, when you feel "unseen" and powerless, how do you make a splash? By acting out (often supported by social media) in a way that gives you notoriety. So there's more freedom to act out than in times past... it's more *endorsed,* because (after all!) it gains you twitter followers. 

=^..^=

I can think of one person who fits this description perfectly.

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I can certainly see how the indifference of an institution or the prodding to “be a man” can lead to sociopathy. I wonder, in old traditions, if a shaman, for example, could “root” it out with the help of spirit beings. I am not a determinist and I don’t think people are stuck one way- but obviously the person themself must be willing and desire a shift on some level.

Obviously this kind of thing is troubling, which is why we usually avoid thinking/talking about it. 

One of the most troubling aspects is that the motivations or “things to attain” on the list of these types of individuals: power, wealth, money, etc are often things that, once attained in our culture, give a somewhat god like impenetrable status. People look up to and listen to people who have attained these sorts of things. Trump is an example. He’s a horrible human being with a trail of sociopathic behavior and yet “good Christian people” support him up and down. Normal Judgment is taken over by some kind of glam and sheen and what would normally be ostracized is made into a presidency.

We talked about how to address this. On one layer I think it boils down to what people value, what we’re told and sold through ads (the seeds to desire wealth), and how this sets the stage for sociopaths and psychopaths to thrive. Yet this requires changing the gestalt of the culture. I’m sure the desire for wealth is pretty much as normalized as the air we breathe and many spend their whole lives going after it. What I mean is that the psychopathic tendency to strive for these things and the way they go about it is rewarded in the end by our society. 

We also potentially have a whole governmental / bank system chalked full of these types of individuals who are also making the laws (and defended in court by more psychopaths...) and a blind & passive populace. I guess that’s why I tend to ignore this type of stuff and go about creating the life I value and believe in. How can we even begin to change it? Tearing down the whole terrible system isn’t a day’s work, it takes calculated long term action, a focused tactic and a whole host of people.

I find it extraordinary that psychopaths do get free rein and no one recognises them for what they are - but as you say, that's the clever manipulative ability of psychopaths. 

The power of community is strong indeed - I'm struck though by the 'ostracism' bit in today's world (just one thought train I'm following over coffee right now, just waking up - there's lots in this I could respond to) - that can lead to other issues, though, can't it? Ostracise enough and the retaliation can be dire. 

> This is one of the reasons people used to be so unwelcoming towards strangers, particularly a single person. They suspected this reason for the change of location and lack of family. 

That's fascinating, isn't it? Because taking someone in is also a value - caring for lost souls, so to speak. 

It's all really interesting, thanks for this food for thought. I'm watching the new series of American Horror and the warlock raised in the Horror House (I know right, such parellels with society haha) was clearly a psychopath from birth. There's a really cool scene in which Jessica Lange, the adopted mother, keep planting rose bushes over the top of the dead bodies - hiding his crimes and hoping the goodness will overpower the evil psychopath of a son that was clearly born that way. In the end, she gets 'sick of the smell of roses' - and the whole garden is full of them, barely containing the evil underneath. It's not until I read this article and sat on that scene for a while did I start seeing the beautiful metaphor it is for what we can tend to do - ignore what's in our midst, grin and bear it, and do nothing to stop it until it's too late. A grim picture, perhaps, but an interesting one.