Welcome To The Steemit That Vote Buying Hath Wrought by lexiconical

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· @lexiconical · (edited)
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Welcome To The Steemit That Vote Buying Hath Wrought
![Upton 1.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRjdt26vmFCWhrBcWyZLCACdb6ZQEUHohA4ayZXLGHh1R/Upton%201.png)

You know what. I'm not even going to bother to write much this time. I'm taking a page out of the @themarkymark playbook of abuse reporting, because fuck it.

<center>![Movie 1.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmW52L97QPnQfmXKk8t6ghTMHKnGNjLzMf4y1Cq71bsrqZ/Movie%201.png)</center>

Ah, yes, this is going to be good. "Movie Trailers." I'm sure we'll find no plagiarism here.

<center>![Movie 2.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmPWZReEohTjFcTM4fp7cKmRJLJxf8XDKGo7fmvCz68NbJ/Movie%202.png)</center>

Precisely what I expected. There are pages and pages more of this. Months of plagiarism. @cheetah @steemcleaners @patrice @anyx

Thankfully, some one else has come through and flagged since I attempted to earlier (Steemit refused to accept my flags, it is running like garbage.)

@movietrailers, get the fuck off this platform you plagiarizing piece of human garbage.

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@elear56 ·
Nice photos. they deserve an award. It is very nice. great work
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@kissyou ·
Thank you in advance for nice post @lexiconical
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@themarkymark · (edited)
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I've reported it a few times in the past, and he was banned from @buildawhale.  A few witnesses started to flagged him as well.

It has gone on for a long time, and don't understand why it has been ignored.  

It's one of @contentjunkie's bots.

While I wouldn't call it "plagiarism" and it is something I was told isn't something that can be "dealt".  

I am not going to allow it to be rewarded with @buildawhale services as it offers nothing of value and nothing unique and is just cashing in on someone else's work.

Not to make it more frustrating but to date, it has earned $6,686 in post rewards.

# Pending Payouts

https://i.imgur.com/Olx4reT.png
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@lexiconical ·
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Isn't taking someone's unedited work, using it for a profit illegally (according to home jurisdiction copyright), and keeping the proceeds very dang close to the literal dictionary definition of plagiarism?

Thanks for the rewards update. Disappointing, but I assume much was bought so the real haul is lower.
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@themarkymark · (edited)
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It's kind of a grey area, part of plagiarism is taking credit for not only just use.  It also falls into another grey area of "sharing" in terms of **legality**.  

That being said, I do not approve of this type of no-effort, automated, and repurposing other people's work for profit and is why he is blacklisted from using @buildawhale promotional services.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of other bots that will be happy to **promote** it.
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@personz ·
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No. Embedding a YouTube video is not copyright infringement (Google it) and plagiarism is not really the grievance this would fall under. It's YouTube's decision to allow broadcast of their protected material (which in turn protects the original copyright holder) on other websites.

Think of the website that embeds a video and makes money off other, unrelated ads on that website. Similar situation on Steemit.

Perhaps an argument could be made in the case where someone says, "Hey look at this multimillion dollar Hollywood film I made, I own the rights to it and this promo video" but it isn't being claimed.

This just shows how Steemit is a paradigm changing platform. Many are incensed by accounts like this (I don't personally like them myself) but the relationship between embedding copyright and Steem rewards does not exist, at least not legally.

I want to reiterate, @movietrailers is not doing anything illegal in this instance, as you claim.
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@yabapmatt ·
The way to deal with this, in my opinion, is to make it not profitable to do. Most bid-bot rounds are now returning a negative ROI, which means to earn that $6,686 in post rewards he would have had to spend more than that buying those votes.

If that's not the case and he is making money off of the purchased votes, then we need to see how we can prevent that. In my opinion vote buying isn't the problem as much as *profitable* vote buying.
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@lexiconical · (edited)
I agree, and wondered myself if this account was negative ROI.

The unfortunate fact is all other customers are caught in the middle.

PS - The title implied more blame on voting bots than I intended, but it sounded catchy. I wanted to argue that before all stake was sold, people would flag but no, the same economic incentive would have just been there to self-vote.

This is slightly different from what would have happened without voting bots, but probably not materially.
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@lexiconical ·
By the way, isn't the easiest way to make this unprofitable simply blacklisting these users and unvoting all their posts with no refund?

There's literally no downside to this (save time to implement), and upside for all legitimate parties?

I guess the bots would lose a tiny sliver of curation on abuse posts, too...
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@meno ·
Just a friendly question... I may be naive for asking this, but its OK.. I would still like to hear your opinion on the subject. 

Since the app you developed (steembottracker) is pretty much the standard today. How feasible would it be for it to have a shared blacklist?  I'm no dev, which is why I ask...  Maybe if the website itself would not allow bids to be "from" and "towards" certain blacklisted users.

Granted this won't fix all the problems, you've made some excellent points here outside of blacklist implementations and we also know there is always a bad actor who will find the new loophole to exploit. But maybe, just maybe it will help enough.

I'm also considering doing some public shaming myself, meaning that if a bot is preferred by scammers and spammers because the operator simply does not care, then everyone should know this and make up their mind.  Maybe that would not work either and I'm showing more naivety. But hey... one can brainstorm publicly I guess.
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@meno ·
Why am I not surprised.... Isn't this some sort of universal law by now? @contentjunkie is the same guy calling out @grumpycat for what he believed was "abuse". 

I don't know if you remember <a href="https://steemit.com/steemit/@contentjunkie/vote-buyers-beware-dark-overlord-grumpycat-has-begun-his-reign-of-terror">this hard hitting self rightgeous</a> rant of journalism. 

I guess from now on, every time I see someone get all self righteous I'm going to assume automatically their are abusing the system themselves. 

Here what's probably going to happen:

* He will ignore this post for a day or two
* He will then deflect to whataboutisms
* He will talk about how long he has been on here
* He will then tell you how much he has invested in Steem
* He will then say, its how the code works, deal with it

Long story short, it's OK to be an unethical human being because I have enough money to be one. I get the message perfectly clear, just don't expect me to feel an ounce of respect for you.
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@lexiconical ·
I keep that image, ironically created by CJ, close at hand:

![GrumpyCat.jpg](https://steemitimages.com/DQmWSsGudkw1T5KcDTWcxe4fddXfX9gqpLbEc2F4qbY4yhA/GrumpyCat.jpg)
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@rezack ·
it seems we have to know what plagiarism standards are. But this gives a little understanding to all of us. Although we do not know what the standard. Starting from yourself and now also immediately away from plagiarism.
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@lexiconical ·
It's getting harder to tell. This could help:

https://turbofuture.com/internet/Embed-YouTube-Videos---Copyright-Infringement
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@toofasteddie ·
Bastards! People working hard for a couple of cents and then we have those bastards doing nothing but raping the rewards pool...
It’s enough!
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@peterecheng ·
Really serious, its good this sort of people re being fetch out. This platform is unique and i think it should be treated as such.
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@fitzgibbon ·
$0.30
I kinda feel this is somehow a bit of an uphill batlle. As long the system rewards this kind of behavior it will happen. It's useless to tell the lame to run.
👍  ,
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@lexiconical ·
The design calls for collective flagging of this sort of abuse, but I doubt the design foresaw a situation where almost all SP is delegated/sold for profit.

Who takes the financial hit personally to flag for the collective good?
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@fitzgibbon ·
$0.28
bern
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@bobcastleman ·
This is discouraging. As minnow, I'm finding there are a lot of strange goings on that steer the rewards of steemit in unintended directions. 

Is it bad form to refer to one of my posts in a reply? I did a quick and dirty analysis of the distribution of posts and payouts here: https://steemit.com/life/@bobcastleman/the-plight-of-the-minnow

Part of the issue isn't steemit, as such, but rather that people tend to chase the rewards of any similar system rather than use the system as intended. This gives rise to the things that skew the allocation of rewards - things like bots. Plagiarism is a problem because it is easier than generating original content and the rewards for doing it exceed the penalty. Worse, the rewards for combating plagiarism are insufficient to attract a large enough population of "warriors".
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@lexiconical ·
I say go for referring to your own posts as long as they are directly relevant.

There are no rewards for fighting plagiarism. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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@funnel · (edited)
i really don't understand how this guy is getting so high payouts just for posting trailers...25$...80$....what is this....
...i understand why lexiconical is shouting and swearing but i don't understand why steemit lets guys like him posting on the platform...
...as a guy said in another comment if the system rewards and lets this to happen it will happen again and again and again...
...i don't think we can do anything about it  except of course flag the post...
... really disappointing  ... there's nothing else to say
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@lexiconical ·
The votes are all bought with bots, so there is no direct-human voting happening for these low quality posts.
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@handmaiden ·
Thank you. I'm just realising the extent to which steemit is being raped by others' greed.
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@crokkon ·
$0.10
Let's query the blockchain for payed out posts created after March 1st with an author payout above 10$ and a maximum body length of 150 chars: 828 posts from 228 unique authors. Your example is part of the data set. Not all of those posts are of the kind you showed here. Some are legit and some are at least commonly tolerated, but a good fraction is just boosting garbage!

How to address this issue? Even with the SP to flag them, how to keep an overview in the flood of posts and votes? I absolutely admire steemcleaners work and others maintaining blacklists, but new accounts are created faster than blacklists can be updated...
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@tarazkp ·
Remove the bidbots. Shit like this will struggle to ever get a reward unless they already have stake... not going to happen is it?
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@abhinavramesh12 ·
Use the flag button guys
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@taqi ·
$0.34
Us the flag button
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@rgeddes ·
This is the most intelligent response I've read.
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@willh2ppy ·
good
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@tarazkp ·
$0.19
Unfortunately the law is 'the blockchain allows it'. Bidbots incentivise shit, so that is what is served, screw actual content producers and organic rewards systems. 

Oh, you thought this place was different to all the lobby group, cronyist, corrupt political systems? ... so did I...
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@meno ·
$0.08
@tarazkp as much as I know your intentions come from a very good place in your heart...  one thing we can't fail to consider is the fact that even though bid-bots are kind of new. Not so much vote-buying , it just used to be closed groups and arrangements done in private conversations.

So if we effectively eliminate bid-bots we just move the practice right back into the shadows. I happen to believe it makes more sense to properly tag posts that are "promoted" as <b>promoted</b>.
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@tarazkp ·
The circles still exist anyway, it is not like they have disappeared. There are massive amounts spread through vote trading and the like. The bidbots haven't replaced that, they have added on top of it.
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@lexiconical ·
$0.12
This could be stopped in 5 seconds if the bot operators (other than MarkyMark and therealwolf) had the balls to even implement a blacklist and unvote without refunds.

Instead, they cry that they can do nothing while making 40+% APR for constructing toll roads.
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@meno ·
$0.04
I may lack the words to be as blunt as you can be Lexi, but I think you win the internet for the next  10 minutes.
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@tarazkp ·
*The blockchain allows it.* Freedom! Profit first. 

No matter how they tweak it, it was never going to lead anywhere good. The most incredible thing are all the people involved who once spoke of the future, self-governance and integrity. Integrity is only observable in action, not words and we are seeing the way they govern themselves, which is much like any other official government in this world.
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@katteasis ·
This is just an example, there are many such accounts and also in different languages.
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@farhan2608 ·
Niceee
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@rzs ·
I feel I am a bit too small to say anything here..but when i looked at the comments i couldn't resist..

The problem lies with human Greed. We are so greedy that we don't care how much our content is originally worth most of us just want quick money.

Limited use of Bidbots is not cheating. i feel their should be a limit of how much bidbots can upvote in terms of SBD.  It is the unlimited upvoting power of BidBots that is attracting greedy content creators.
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@lexiconical ·
Limits are probably too late. At least we could get a blacklist going.
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@rzs ·
when you have few users you can create a blacklist... as the platform grows it will become tough to maintain such a list..
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@yanes94 ·
Wow what madness to receive so many good votes for just placing something that is not his.

When I started in Steemit, they wanted to give me a flag for having drawn a picture and not having put the source from where I was inspired and instead of telling me, so as not to do it, they just wanted to give me the flag, whereas this guy really does bad and nobody does nothing.
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@movietrailers ·
$1.62
You obviously don't understand what plagiarism is and have the myopic view that Steem is only for long form content.

Those posts are all attributed and sharing/embedding them is encouraged by the owners. It's literally doing what the creator hopes for. The plagiarism angle is moronic.

What you actually have a problem with is short form or unoriginal content. Social networks are largely about sharing links and opinions. Steem needs to grow so people are buying it and keeping the price up and so there are people to upvote the posts.  Mainstream growth is short form and link sharing.  

Rewarding short form content as well as long form is better for Steem. Most of the internet are not long form authors, why would someone who's not a long form author going to sign up and vote and buy Steem if they are going to get slapped down for trying to use it like it was intended. You do know the name Steemit stems from Reddit right? A place where link sharing get's upvotes as well as long form content.

Sites like DMania and Zappl understand that not everyone is a long form author and Steem is not exclusively for them.
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@meno · (edited)
As I suspected there was some logical contortionism in the works behind the justification. I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, because when I first started to ponder as to the definition of <b>Proof of Brain</b>, copy pasting youtube videos was not one of the first things that jumped into my head.

But don't worry, carry on, it's your right to be wrong and if you have completely covered all bases as to not feel the slightest ounce of guilt for your activities you are doing just fine.

Cheers.
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@movietrailers ·
$1.56
I'm impressed that you can make such a vapid comment and still feel as though you made a point.  You should count yourself as lucky the proof of brain bar isn't set too high.
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@lexiconical · (edited)
You are a complete and utter liar:

Do this on YT and you get a copyright strike, again, strongly implying I am correct:

Can you legally use a movie trailer in your youtube video and still have ads and make money? If so, how?
6 Answers
Amlan Tripathi
Amlan Tripathi, YT (https://www.youtube.com/still22videos) & Lead at Information Technology (2010-present)
Answered 26w ago · Author has 58 answers and 96.1k answer views
Both YES and NO!

"YES - There will be copyright strike and your channel will be warned a couple of times before your channel being taken down altogether. These kind of situation happens when you upload a complete audio visual end to end without any modification and monetization is turned on for your videos."

...

"In the case of a picture or image, you must first get permission from the owner of the image, unless the image is public domain. You should also attribute all images back to their original site (i.e. site you got the image from) and content creator/owner."
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@movietrailers ·
$1.89
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@personz ·
@lexiconical is factually wrong in some ways, but I agree with him in making visible these zero effort, zero contribution posts. It's not just lazy, it's cynical. The account does not author anything, it's just sharing other content without adding a single thing - _not one single thing_.
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@lexiconical ·
No movie studio would give rights for this cynical cash grab that makes their content look like garbage.

The only reason he's not being C&D'd, REGARDLESS of whether there is legal merit, is he's not making enough with his little shit-factory here.
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@movietrailers · (edited)
$1.79
That is fair opinion and you are right nothing is added.  I'm of the opinion that sharing links I like, like on Reddit is a perfectly valid use of Steem.  As for the rewards, that is coming from my investment in personal stake and bid bots.  

I see absolutely no harm taking place to other authors. Those bots will vote on a timer regardless and no one that isn't paying them will ever get those votes.  That reward I'm gaining can only come at the expense of other bit bot buyers in the same window.

I took a risk and invested in promoting this account's content at a possible loss.  It obviously worked at gaining exposure and with the down swing in price might not have even been profitable without the flags.
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@deanbrown ·
$0.11
I disagree. @movietrailers didn't claim that they had created, produced or have any affiliation with any of these movies. The people behind these movies will be delighted to hear that their trailer has been shared on a social media platform that they've probably never even heard of.

Having these sort of posts becoming even moderatly popular on steemit is good news for the site as a whole. It will attract more users and more users means more people using steem and more people posting content. Banning these kinds of posts will have a terribly negative effect on the platform and alienate users that are more accustomed to twitter or facebook.

Steemit is a great place for long form, original content posts but I'm definitely up for having reposted movie trailers in my feed. They just got a new follower if I'm honest.

On the other hand, if you produce long form, original in depth posts and use your steem to promote it, I'm sure that if people find value in it, then it will remain profitable.
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@lexiconical ·
*"The people behind these movies will be delighted to hear that their trailer has been shared on a social media platform that they've probably never even heard of."*

No. Wrong.

"In the case of a picture or image, you must first get permission from the owner of the image, unless the image is public domain. You should also attribute all images back to their original site (i.e. site you got the image from) and content creator/owner."

"Having an embedded youTube video on your online article or website is exactly like having an embedded image - thus permission must also be given from the owner of the youTube video."

*"Having these sort of posts becoming even moderatly popular on steemit is good news for the site as a whole. It will attract more users and more users means more people using steem and more people posting content. "*

No, and no. Stealing content without copyright that can be found much more easily at YT wil not bring people here.

*"I'm definitely up for having reposted movie trailers in my feed."*

I think you'd find Facebook more your speed.
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@meno ·
This Deanbrown comment is a case study in the name of science, Lexi. Account gets created, first thing it does is follow you.... WOW.. i had no idea you were on the front cover of forbes or something, people are joining Steem just for you! (I'm a little jealous) 

I suspect you have been ruffling some feathers with your recent posts a little too much and thus new sock puppets are needed to engage without repercussion. 

From where I stand, if you are too afraid to express and opinion enough to create a new account just to do so. You don't deserve the privilege of being acknowledged.
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@stephanus ·
Well embedding a video is not plagiarism (and im using this word just as loosely as you understand it). The synopsis he adds, is though. You should have focused on that, maybe people would take it seriously then.
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@lexiconical ·
Yes, it is.

*"Having an embedded youTube video on your online article or website is exactly like having an embedded image - thus permission must also be given from the owner of the youTube video."*

Movietrailers is not a party to, and is violating the very reason for existence of, the agreement YT has with content producers that the armchair lawyers above thinks makes this legitimate.

It is not.

The synopsis he adds would be his own, assuming he didn't cut and paste it.
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@stephanus ·
He cuts and pastes the synopsis straight from imdb. Lol. And embedding a video is driving traffic to the original video. If it were plagiarism, then 99% of media websites would not exist. In fact, this has been brought up in many court cases, and has been ruled as fair use, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
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@lexiconical · (edited)
Hey @fyrst-witness

You are a bitch.
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@seenitallfilms ·
Glad someone bought this up. As a upcoming filmmaker there is nothing that pisses me off more than trying to search for other upcoming filmmakers and finding nothing but this shit. I'm working my arse off and getting like 3p per post.We really need to crack down on the shitheads.
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@movietrailers ·
There we go, some honesty. You're mad because your posts are failing and you are envious of others.  It's because you haven't been around long enough to know how things work. You could invest in your posts as well and earn just as much as any of mine.

Why aren't you? What is holding you back from promoting your own work?
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You got a 6.18% upvote from @postpromoter courtesy of @lexiconical!

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