A Harsh Reminder about Decentralisation by slobberchops

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· @slobberchops · (edited)
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A Harsh Reminder about Decentralisation
Anybody who is serious about their crypto assets owns or should own a hardware wallet.

Whether it is a [Trezor]( https://trezor.io/) or a [Ledger]( https://www.ledger.com/), we need to be sure that we are in control of our assets. 

![IMG_7742.JPG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmTshGi31PPYGjJxYFMmkFtgyWJB79zg5Hoe837iqvvwGa)

Leaving your crypto on an exchange means it is not yours. You don’t have the private keys and so you are placing trust in the exchange.

Have you ever lost any tokens due to exchanges going bust? Binance recently had a hack but promised to recoup all losses, but how about [Cryptopia]( https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/)?

I for one had around 2500 ETN (Electroneum) which I foolishly bought when they were around 6c each last year sometime. 

![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmZJVR2umsR9vPzb1CXKg9C92LPvGKdkjQDGVLvRJNQtuB)
[Source](https://my.electroneum.com/)

I was seeing a > 90% loss on the coins but now it’s a total loss. I lost my hundred quid and I'm not gonna cry about it.

If I had the foresight to use the online wallet, I would still have my 10 quid's worth of Electroneum. 

Not all coins are supported by these hardware devices, but you still need to exercise that control.

![crypto.JPG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmTz7BPvSnKVrAQ33Rz3VSVq9QL6pS1xVyEyYimvEEWEfn)
[Source]( https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/)

You see I trusted Cryptopia and should not have. The New Zealand exchange is currently attempting to wind down much to the dismay of many who have trusted them with a lot more than I did.

Last year I bought a Nano Ledger S and moved the majority of my BitCoin and Etherium on to it from GDAX (Coinbase Pro).

A few days ago it crashed and reset while I was using it in conjunction with Ledger Live. This did not mean all my coins had gone west, just that I had to instigate the recovery plan.

When purchasing a Ledger, the company advises you to create a 24 word key in cases of this. The damn thing should not have reset itself and it is a known bug that people are complaining about.

![IMG_7743.JPG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmX45DNpsG6yFkrqxFedTN6F6LDrFNpzENcs8tmRLMom5Z)

If you don't create the 24-word recovery keys or lose the words, or write one down wrongly then you can kiss goodbye to your assets.

After the reset happened to me I was a bit of a grumpy bear but knew that I had taken the precaution of writing down the words.

I got to word 11, and entered the word ‘**outline**’, except that word is not on the [list]( https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt). I could choose outdoor, outer, output or outside. They were similar but not ‘**outline**’.

![image.png](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmYCvpjCz8b1wngRsKL9TmF8NFQ8vBFQbGRYRieMk9pJqh)

I had written word 11 down incorrectly, and luckily this was the only bad word on my scribbled list.

To recover a Ledger, you need your 8 digit pin (I hadn’t wrote this down but it was emblazoned in my head), and then all 24 words need to be entered one by one.

It’s around 10 minutes a try and you need to enter words 24 before you know whether it has worked.

![IMG_7744.JPG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/QmQYMq54DkgPSWvsUf7bwCTbJy1To8CHMAvuCxobkSzyvV)

I tried outdoor, outer, and outside all to no avail. The damn thing told me ‘**bugger off**’ after 10 minutes, and then another 10 and then another.

Then something occurred to me. Forget the ‘**out**’ and focus on the ‘**line**’.

‘**online**' was the first word and after another 10 minutes of sweaty fingers, I got the message I was hoping for. ‘**Initialising device**', and then, ‘**Your device is ready**’, phew!

![IMG_7745.JPG](https://ipfs.busy.org/ipfs/Qmei1Y6Q86FYta3oSf48qqAJwV156dQBL5ZntMcQ2BArmN)

I think I was extremely lucky not to have lost my several thousand pounds investment of BitCoin, Etherium, Ripple, LiteCoin and Stellar Lumens today.

As the title of this document says, it can be a harsh lesson if you are not a diligent bank manager. 

You see, your are that manager and there is no technical support to unlock your vault if you lose the keys or forget your password.

The power and keys are always with you and that brings a huge responsibility. 

Look after your keys and backup phrases or your Crypto will be floating around in the Ether forever, never to be claimed by anyone.

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@enchantedspirit · (edited)
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I can just imagine your stress working with this one.  I'd have been a basket-case.  0 to 60 in no time flat.  I'm glad it worked out for you.  It would have upset me, too, on your behalf if it hadn't.  I'm like that.  All this security and password stuff is nothing short of terrifying.

(**Note to self** ---> stop reading this guy's stuff when it seems related to crypto and threatens to be dangerous and upsetting.)
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@slobberchops ·
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It happened a few days ago and I tried it once.. got a word wrong and left it. 
**I'll do it at weekend** - syndrome.

It's not the first time I have been locked out. I have 2 soft wallets that I cant remember the passwords for.. because they are in my master password app which I forget the password for. Confused? me too...
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@enchantedspirit ·
Sadly, that makes perfect sense.
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@gillianpearce ·
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Was there a reason why you went or the Ledger over the Trezor @slobberchops?
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@slobberchops ·
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I bought it over a year ago when they were all in big demand. The wait list for the Ledger was shorter, that was my reason.
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@gillianpearce ·
Ah. I see. Makes sense! &#128513;
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@meesterboom ·
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Ooft!! I have only had to do the recovery thing one on my trezor and it was a trembly pants affair. If I had a word wrong though I would have kakked it for real
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@slobberchops ·
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The keywords one doesn't have a number of tries, but the pin does. That would have had me shitting my bricks!
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@meesterboom ·
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Lol, yeah, that would be grim. I had 3500 electroneum in cryptopia, what a bugger.
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@thesteemengine ·
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No shit!!  (No pun intended.  Sort of.)
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@meesterboom ·
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Hehe, yup pun and unpunly shit! ;0)
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@raj808 · (edited)
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Pheweeee... I bet that felt pretty stomach churning for a while until you saw the 'initialising device' msg.

I've never lost any crypto yet, but I nearly lost some that was sitting on cryptopia. I was lucky that I keep a close eye on all the crypto news and saw an announcement saying 'move your assets off cryptopia'. If I hadn't been aware, I'd be down about $400 worth of BAT.

It's a sobering thought. I'm glad you didn't lose your money Slobberchops 👍🙂
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@slobberchops ·
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Wish I had seen that news. There's a lot of dodgy exchanges around and you never know which one is gonna do a runner or get hacked next.
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@steevc ·
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I really need more of a backup plan to keep my crypto safe and go ensure it can go to the right people should anything happen to me. I'll look into this some more
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@slobberchops ·
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Ledger's are £54 from Amazon now. Despite my near miss I still like the device and would recommend it. They are still not user friendly enough yet to attract the masses.
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@lion200 ·
$0.03
Oh man you were lucky with that word 😂 I can imagine the panic and sweat 😂

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@slobberchops ·
$0.07
Yes I have a mild form of dyslexia sometimes when it comes to words. It hit me at the wring time.. writing down important keywords.
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@old-guy-photos ·
$0.03
Interesting. I do not invest much in crypto, but I can see there is risk of mistake or risk from the exchange. I guess with my background in equities, I trust the exchanges as no one gets paper stock certificates anymore. I feel like as this whole things evolve, the major exchanges should become safer custodians.
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@slobberchops ·
$0.06
I have stocks and shares too, but these are more centralised institutions. Crypto is still the wild west and were moving along at a slow rate of knots to the man in the street. I still thinks its several years off yet.
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@daan ·
$0.11
Ah yeah, I can barely make out my own handwriting, so I opted for a better solution to store my seeds. 

You might remember [the article](https://steemit.com/technology/@daan/my-ledger-nano-s-and-coldbit-seed-backup-have-arrived) I wrote about purchasing a steel seed backup? 

![C3TZR1g81UNaPs7vzNXHueW5ZM76DSHWEY7onmfLxcK2iPYmyK8mm5yRPVSHdj2MBfkuyY4uLSFcwqJwL6bSnvhZbuwSsFwVyk1GqRtcVyfSfJxYQG7Gu8i.png](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmaTE5psiXekVEFeC82nfG1c87LXJ216Vm6tei6c8mSb2a/C3TZR1g81UNaPs7vzNXHueW5ZM76DSHWEY7onmfLxcK2iPYmyK8mm5yRPVSHdj2MBfkuyY4uLSFcwqJwL6bSnvhZbuwSsFwVyk1GqRtcVyfSfJxYQG7Gu8i.png)

That thing has already paid for itself ;)
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@slobberchops ·
$0.10
>Everything you need to store your Bitcoin seed securely stamped on thick metal plates.

Hope you don't lose these big plates. I cant remember this as its 6 months ago. I cant remember what happened yesterday!
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@daan ·
$0.15
Dang it Chops, sounds like you're suffering from some serious memory loss :P 

No, I definitely won't lose them, they're safely stored away where no-one could ever find them but me. Come to think of it, it's going to be quite a pain getting them when I do actually need them again :D
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@anggreklestari ·
$0.03
I'm still using an online wallet on a local exchange.

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For your "crypto post" maybe you can try to submit through SCT Frontend: https://www.steemcoinpan.com/

But indeed, earning SCT is a little bit tricky. Maybe we have to stake some SCT to get upvote from SCT curator.
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@slobberchops ·
This is my crypto post and I used the #sct tag. Not a big deal, I will see if I can find anything.

![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmQkmC6prA69Nw8jygWMvv8GCyRQ2yJD84cdw4ySWv9Qm6/image.png)
They do hold some value. Deffo worth a look!
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@protegeaa ·
$0.04
Dang, what a scare! I can't imagine your terror going through this. Yikes.

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@slobberchops ·
$0.06
It was more frustrating that anything else. Ledgers are fiddly things with those small buttons, and messing with them for 30 minutes isn't a good experience.
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@darrenfj ·
$0.03
Seriously good advise and a great cautionary tale too

Thanks.

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@tattoodjay ·
$0.03
Ohh the stress you must have gone through so glad to hear you were able to recover it  in the end
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@revisesociology ·
$0.03
I've just bought one of these (and a fireproof box) - having read this I think I'll type and print my 24 words!

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@bozz ·
$0.10
I have considered hardware wallets in the past ,but they are just so expensive.  I don't really have that many assets to make them worth it I don't think.  I don't keep my coins on exchanges though either.
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