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· @wordsword ·
Thank you for your answer, I'm just trying to communicate here.
What the underlying question is by this question "wouldn't you run out of people that started companies"
Wouldn't innovation stop? (This may seem like a dumb question to you but I see a large problem with stagnation)

//capitalism is forced to grow or stagnate// I don't see how trading with my neigbours is forced grow or would stagnate. I don't see anything wrong with it. And certainly not in communities.

I don't really get your last answer in combination with my question.
I explain; If i don't work on my personal computer but it's for entertainment/pleasure and someone else could use it to do work with it. Is him doing work with it, not a justification for him to seize it, since he is using it for live sustaining purpesses for him self or the common good, and I only for pleasure. 

(This is the best way I can ask the question because of my English is not always sufficient enough to find the right expressions, to make the questions short and succinct)
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
Stagnation only happens in a market economy where they are forced to increase in size non-stop to stay stable. Trading is not capitalism, you can trade in market socialism and mutualism. Capitalism requires businesses, those require profit. The rich and everyone naturally want more money and power. Combined with new people and new jobs the economy is forced to grow or it can not provide for everyone, even if the population goes down. If no new opportunities for jobs for the young they make no money and make no resources. When that happens the economy declines and less have jobs. Those that have jobs must compete harder for them, meaning they will get paid less as the laws of supply and demand indicate.  No more money going into the economy means the economy grinds to a halt. It relies on new jobs opening up for the upcoming generations.

In communism people would innovate because that is what they want to do. Most people who innovate (all the scientists at NASA for example) don't get a major personal benefit, they do it because they like doing it. Because more people would have the opportunity there could easily be more innovation.

For your laptop only private property is seized, it does not matter if it could be used for work. It is personal property. However, what each person does is up to him/her. Justification is based on the situation and the people, I usually would not condone it but if it could save lives...... It is all dependant on society either way though.
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@freebornangel ·
Rule by force is the elephant in this room, eliminate that and I think we are all in agreement, ahng and I that sharing is better, and crapitalusts that think skinning their neighbors makes perfect sense.
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@wordsword ·
Hello just reading your reply. Maybe you would call me a crapitalist but I don't think that skinning my neigbours makes perfect sense not literally and nor figuratively.
It goes directly against my principles. But then again maybe you would give me another name.
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@wordsword · (edited)
Thanks for the nice reply
I have two questions left. And you could say read some books.
But I thing direct communication is more effective for a fast exchange of knowledge.
//Trading is not capitalism.//
So if I trade with another person that is a private matter without any form of third party coercion , and I could see that as market socialism or mutualism or is there a third party involved just like now with " the government" only different?
Is the trading in those systems, strictly without a medium of exchange, or with, or maybe both?

edit; I'll read into the market socialism and mutualism systems, you answer would be welcome though.
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@anarchyhasnogods ·
I do no think I understand the question but I will try to answer. A third party like a government could exist in market socialism. In yugoslavia they had market socialism (before being bombed by America). It worked well and the government did not step in with strict regulations.  

Capitalism is free trade with private property.
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@anarchyhasnogods · (edited)
reply to your reply to free:
Non aggression principle is a common one for "anarchist capitalists" as they will tell you. However, people will hire armies to protect what they see as "theirs". For example we could even go as far as saying North Korea is justified because it is private property, and anarchist capitalist in its ideals because it can trade freely with other countries.
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@freebornangel ·
No, the functions of gov't are done by the folks that need that work done, or not at all.
Vigilante neighbors tend to pacify neighborhoods, so need for cops.
Everything is free, so no need for social workers.
Accounting is done for reorders and by robots, so no accountants or cashiers.
The honor system and reputation will keep most people in line, and criminals will suffer at the hands of their victim's friends.
Yes, I know, that can get out of hand, but is what we have now where the killing is done with impunity by cops better?
You can do as you please, if you want to trade your widget for somebody's gadget and that is agreeable to both, then feel free.
But, if you feel like starving kids in Africa and bombing kids in Syria because your bottom line needs enhancing from last  year, that is an issue to be addressed by the locals in the local customary manner.
Towns of like minded individuals will spring up and you will not want to associate with some of those, and they will be free from your disdain.
Prostitution is illegal, it won't be.
Drug dens are illegal, they won't be.
Gambling halls are illegal, they won't be.
But none of those will be in a neighborhood that won't tolerate them.
If that is not your scene instead of sending thugs to kill some people we will allow them to live over there in peace.
We will freely disassociate ourselves from them, and they with us.
Most of the problems of the world can be solved by simply ending the elephant in the room, rule by force.
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@wordsword ·
I'll put it here there was a warning about; six posts deep.

I have to say I am stunned. You are taking the NAP and fit the philosophy in the country realm, you can only apply the NAP to individuals.
North Korea has nothing to do with anarchist capitalism.
The people there are ruled by a dictator. And even if they say to be a democracy.
A democracy is also rule by force. I'm almost 100% sure that non of the people living the have ever heard about the NAP and that those people are suffering there.
The NAP does not apply to country's (which are concepts) It does only apply to an individual and in the moment.
It's as easy as saying if someone is attacking you you may defend yourself or others that are attacked. And it's a principle not a law or a document anyone can sign or agree to. A document has no added value its would be just a piece of paper with ink, just like a constitution or law, etc.

I hope my explanation helped a bit and I did get across why it does not apply to any "country".
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