RE: Tired of this “Red pill, Blue pill” Analogy by whatamidoing

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· @whatamidoing · (edited)
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you on any of those points but it could easily be turned around too.  What if I think you are abusing the rights of animals by killing and eating them, or confining them?  Couldn’t I say that you are violating the rights of others and that you are not awake?  I’m just playing devils advocate here, I eat meat, but I appreciate vegetarianism and the idea that animals are not very different from us.

What if you raise your children in a way which I find to be abusive?  I could easily say you are abusive human rights.  But you may just see it as child rearing.  So what is apparent and given for one person may not be for another.

The most relevant example I can think of is, what if you legally own the rights to a large plot of land and I  have no land to my name.  In your mind that land is yours and if I take food off of it and build a little house on it I might be committing a crime.  In my mind the land belongs to everyone and since you have way more than you need and I have nothing, I am right to take a little piece just to take care of myself.  I am also happy to leave you alone, as long as you aren’t keeping all the resources to yourself.  

So I actually agree with you. I just don’t think it’s so objective.  Also you don’t usually get far with straight out retaliation, I still don’t regret not flipping my desk over every single day at school when I was forcefully kept in school.
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@intothewild ·
>What if I think you are abusing the rights of animals by killing and eating them, or confining them?
What if you raise your children in a way which I find to be abusive?
what if you legally own the rights to a large plot of land and I have no land to my name. In your mind that land is yours and if I take food off of it and build a little house on it I might be committing a crime.

These are simply disagreements between two parties. To which they could be handled in court (if necessary). Those three examples are **you** stating that **you** don't like something that **I** am doing. None of which effect you personally or negatively.

You lose nothing if I decide to be a carnivore, even though you may disagree with it.

You lose nothing if I raise my kids in a way you don't approve of. If it gets to the point where most people would claim it to be abuse, take me to court. Still, **you** are not effected negatively either way.

Taking land that I own is stealing, and therefore you would be a thief, regardless of your less than ideal circumstances.

Clearly you can see the difference between disagreements that don't effect you, and opining for government to force your neighbor at gunpoint to do something you approve of that they might not want to do, no?

That's the point I am trying to make when saying *woke*. Disagreements are one thing, forcing people to behave the way you want them to, when it doesn't effect you, is wrong.

> I still don’t regret not flipping my desk over every single day at school when I was forcefully kept in school.

lol, same here! How much time could have been saved...
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@whatamidoing · (edited)
But your concept of ownership and theft has affects me in a negative way and could easily be considered oppressive by those who are hungry.  Your faith in court and faith in the concept of ownership have made me powerless and very much affect me.  Raising your kids to believe in these concepts is also oppressive to me when the concepts themselves are oppressive.  I’m just making a point here. 

It’s really all perspective.
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@intothewild ·
> I’m just making a point here.

Playing devils advocate or do you stand behind these ideas?

To me, those are kind of analogous to "your life is oppressing me so I get to kill you." Are we not all beholden to the golden rule? Unless sociopaths?

Reminds me of this meme:
![nature.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmZP8Tj61HjLQShFLoKV2KAB6khiqoojiKbJUA9DNHSUNr/nature.jpg) 
[source](https://www.google.com/search?q=nature+is+oppressing+me&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=_V9ZCCmcSHTEvM%253A%252CQHSs2-Sbf8B29M%252C_&usg=__Qh6xN7oZZz6ogkgImcCAOp3649E%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj33q6flujbAhXPAIgKHSuoC6MQ9QEIKzAA#imgrc=_V9ZCCmcSHTEvM:)
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