Viewing a response to: @senseiteekay/e5fa07a1-4a17-4bd0-a59d-1680695b1661
Yeah... this seems imbalanced to me... 50/50... because clicking a mouse button means you should get more and the author less. Not all authors are the same or put in the same amount of work, but anyways, clicking a mouse button, or autovoting and doing nothing, needs to be kept in mind. If the voter likes the content, great, then they get what they wanted: content. Getting curation rewards is a nice extra when all you need to do is click a mouse button and nothing else, even not look at the content if you don't want to... ;) Just click a button to get some rewards back for that action... I like to look at the work being done, and creating content demands more work than clicking a mouse button.
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Ya I don't disagree with that. I just point out why curate when I can sell my vote? If you want curation to happen at scale then you must incentive curators to upvote others and not incentive self upvoting. But maybe selling votes and self upvoting being top of the list isn't a bad idea, not saying know. If people are willing to buy votes then there is demand for the eyeballs here.
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Changing to 50/50 would just get the vote buying to change how they charge for what % to 'ROI' give, while the delegators and owners would make even more than they do now. That's the outcome I see. Vote buying would continue,a s long as they adjusted and still provided a positive return for the amount of money sent out. If people want to buy votes, it's not about eyeballs. It's about making more money. Thats why the bots calculate their votes based on money sent to give an ROI that's positive, not negative. Would people use ocdb if the return was negative? Would they use any of the many other bots? Maybe a few would, but that would be the people who are willing to actually spend money to get more eyeballs by reaching a high enough payout to get the eyeballs (like $100). Buying votes to get your post at $10, $20, or even $50 isn't getting anyone any more eyeballs. You have to spend a lot more. That's when it has an effect on the trending page. The majority who buy votes are doing it to get an ROI in a rigged voting scheme-platform where you can just pay to get more rewards. THAT is what makes Steem a sad joke imo. And you curate, or anyone else, because you care to reward content you value, which is how the whole system is supposed to work (and in exchange you get rewards too, curation rewards). That's when the platform gains more value, when the content is rewarded because its valued by curators. Again, vote sellers just want to make easy money by doing 0-actions, if they cared about rewarding content they would be doing that. And vote buyers want more money because curators aren't curating them, they have to buy votes to get rewards, not earn them.
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bryan-imhoff | 0 | 59,801,074,668 | 25% | ||
jaki01 | 0 | 90,561,076,097 | 5% | ||
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Vote selling platforms as it is already give 100% of the curation and take a small cut off the top. I don't see how they would earn more. Also, curation on bidbots or vote sellers is not good because it isn't timed well, it's used to vote on content that has already been widely upvoted. Most people don't upvote content after they seen it has been already boosted by bidbots, so they usually are some of the last upvotes meaning the tail end of the rewards. And you're right, people curate because they care. But also, investors curate because they have to, if not they are missing out on Steem they could be earning. Right now as an investor I have to choose between delegating to projects, selling votes, self upvoting, curation (manual/auto). I believe most investors will choose to delegate to projects, but some just want to just get as much Steem ROI as possible because they believe Steem is undervalued.
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@ocdb is different from most other bots as it is not content agnostic. You need to be whitelisted by getting curated by the OCD curation team. Secondly, they can throw you out if you buy too large votes for low quality content. @ocdb is a both a curation and distribution bot. It is designed to distribute stake to authors who put in some effort to create decent content.
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theycallmedan | 0 | 330,279,697,332 | 1% |
Would it be so bad if patronizing bid bots no longer becomes profitable? 50/50 doesnt solve the whole issue we're facing now but IMO its a good start.
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It's not 50/50 in that sense: there's one author and tons of curators on popular posts. The author will pretty much always get more rewards, unless its one big curator doing the voting.
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