RE: DTube opens a witness node on STEEM by pfunk

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dtube · @pfunk · Mar 23 '20 (edited)

$6.14

>1- STEEM has never been centralized. Even when 20 sock puppets entered the top 20, STEEM remained decentralized. Steem has a backup witness solution, meaning that even if those 20 sock puppets nodes suddently crashed, the network would have kept on running, and was therefore still decentralized.


What? You might as well say everything is nothing.  You don't understand the meaning of the word centralized. 

>DELETE the coins of 300+ accounts who supported JS when forking to HIVE, about 30% of the total supply.

Nothing was deleted, a new network was created sans the balances used to necessitate the creation of that network. Nobody was owed anything on this new chain. If Steem fails because of the irresponsibility of these Steem stakeholders, they don't get a parachute to Hive. You bought it, don't break it. But that's just what those irresponsible stakeholders voted to do.  It's not everyone else's responsibility to teach them (or you for that matter) what a decentralized blockchain is.

👍 adm, pfunk, ausbitbank, overkillcoin, anyx, fruitdaddy, steevc, reazuliqbal, skapaneas, patrice, sankysanket18, fingolfin, steemtaker, elindos, trieuvinhkim, shainemata
👎 steemhunt, dtube, dlike, dobartim, tabris, heimindanger

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@heimindanger · Mar 23 '20

No you don't, and you have zero arguments so far. Go back to your fork now.

👍 flysky, alamin33

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@siavach · Mar 23 '20

*a new network was created **sans** the balances used*
OUECH GROS T ES UN FRANCAIS QUI UTILISE GOOGLE TRADUCTION ?

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@heimindanger · Mar 23 '20

In American culture, using french words for no reason whatsoever in the middle of the sentence makes you appear more cultured...

👍 flysky, alamin33, siavach

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@siavach · Mar 23 '20

un gros fdp quoi !!!

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@shainemata · Mar 31 '20

Like doctors and lawyers? Educated, maybe. Not cultured.

👍 travelwritemoney, rgvmedia

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@pfunk · Mar 23 '20

$0.54

English borrows words. One of the advantages of not having a centralized authority in control of language.  It's part of the reason English is the new lingua franca, to borrow another romance phrase. :)

👍 pfunk, jenkinrocket

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@siavach · Mar 23 '20

No problem. You are one of the only witnesses who has always been there who has been rather redistributor. But unfortunately, you have been there too long to understand that you have created a caste with undue annuities. It is the opposite of capitalism.
You know, we are French and the discourse of the common good and preferable censorship in this sense there, we understand it. But I doubt that the TOP 20 of witness steem are in this ideology.

You have decided unilaterally to freeze accounts. This is contrary to the central idea of blockchain. All this because the wind has turned for you ... Honestly apart from all the other points, on this point, you have lost all credibility.

I'm even talking about the fact that HIVE is a registered trademark ... amateur work.

👍 dobartim, kiwisteem
👎 carn

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@berniesanders · Mar 28 '20

https://i.imgur.com/kh1u0N4.gif

👍 patrikcooper, jessicaalex

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@heimindanger · Mar 23 '20

$0.14

`Nothing was deleted`

The fact is that 300+ members arbitrarily were removed from your 'airdrop', and the old STEEM/SP/SBD on your chain is still there, but inaccessible. You can maybe fool others with words like that, not me.

👍 tabris, aidasfg7, phoneinf, alamin33, kiwisteem

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@pfunk · Mar 23 '20

$0.43

What part of new network don't you get? It's created out of nothing. Nobody on Steem was or is owed anything.

👍 pfunk, shainemata
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@heimindanger · Mar 23 '20

$0.12

How come HIVE still has 4 years worth of contents that were posted on STEEM, as well as all the accounts that were created on STEEM?

The first 41M blocks of your chain, are coming from the STEEM blockchain. Your blockchain exists because STEEM was there before. Without STEEM, Hive wouldn't be there.

So how can it be 'created out of nothing'?

👍 tabris, dobartim, vaultec, acostaeladio, flysky, heimindanger, phoneinf, alamin33, kiwisteem, cryplectibles

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2 replies

@kiwisteem · Mar 24 '20

Nonsense, it was created with the Steem Blockchain and every single person who had a stake on that blockchain . lol 
And accounts were plundered for the purpose of enriching themselves minimizing their need to make any financial investment.

👍 heimindanger
👎 themarkymark

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@carn · Mar 24 '20

If no Hive was in their accounts, how could we delete nothing?

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@berniesanders · Mar 28 '20

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👍 patrikcooper, jessicaalex

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@carn · Mar 24 '20

"arbitrarily (on the basis of random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system)" is a complete inaccuracy, there was a specific check that indiscriminately created that list.

👎 kiwisteem

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@kiwisteem · Mar 24 '20

It is just another example of how corrupt the most of the original ninja miners are. 
Its good to know that you have no moral compass.

👎 themarkymark

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@berniesanders · Mar 28 '20

https://i.imgur.com/kh1u0N4.gif

👍 patrikcooper, jessicaalex

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@kiwisteem · Mar 24 '20

$0.02

@pfunk It is shameful plunder for the boys.
How do you think @steemchiller and others feel about being ripped off like that?

👍 dobartim, stimialiti, fersher, atempt, kiwisteem, slowgrow
👎 themarkymark

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@dobartim · Mar 24 '20

The real hard fork is when all investors get the coin, in this case, they didn't do it for those who invested money in Steem and cheated the community. This means that they can always deceive the HIVE community when one threatens their centralized interests. They brand themselves as fake crypto dev and fork all over the world. 
I don't believe HIVE because they cheated on me and stole my HIVE coin. I am 100% loyal to the real decentralized Steem platform and Steem blockchain. @dtube Thank you for telling us the truth. 

P.S. This is not community fork See details - Hard Fork is planned without community in in secret!!!



![marty.jpg](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmRn56io9B47fz6K8cVgnxhQo6HLUeyFbyCG4oBXCSjXXt/marty.jpg)

👍 tabris
👎 ctime, exhaust, joshmania, steevc, bluesniper, makingblocks, edb, tenkminnows, justinparke, mrhill, aceh.point, leighscotford, treepi, hyperbatata

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@pfunk · Mar 24 '20

$0.49

Hive is real, that's plainly obvious.

👍 pfunk, carsonroscoe

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@carsonroscoe · Mar 28 '20

Honestly, I don't think any perspective is wrong on this. It really comes down to what you think the role of witnesses is.

From my perspective, the community voted witnesses forked in secret, but they did it on the communities behalf. They were elected officials who, arguably, were cheated out of their role. We can debate semantics, like whether a verbal contract of "The Steemit Inc. funds are only to be used to fund development, not vote" should have been taken as law or not, but this all comes down to ones philosophy.

Personally, I think the Hive team did what they honestly believe is in the best interest of the ecosystem. I believe dtube is also acting in what they believe is the best interest for the system. Justin Sun is the only actor here who I think has not acted in the interest of STEEM or the codebase/ecosystem STEEM represents.

You have my vote @dtube. Thank you for integrating HIVE into your platform so quickly, and thank you for choosing to be a witness and keep STEEM alive. Whether STEEM is decentralized or centralized depends on whether we can keep 4-5 genuine witnesses in the top 20. I would like for 16+ to be genuine, but 4-5 lets us know the chain itself will be kept alive without any funny business. From there, those 4-5 witnesses would get to choose which Steemit Inc. upgrades are worth keeping and keep them in line. If that can be achieved, there is hope for STEEM yet.

👍 carsonroscoe, brishtiteveja, cryplectibles

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@berniesanders · Mar 28 '20

https://i.imgur.com/kh1u0N4.gif

👍 patrikcooper, jessicaalex

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