RE: Are women attracted by muscular male bodies? (Part 1.5 of 2) by alexander.alexis

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· @alexander.alexis ·
I get what you're saying, and it's insightful, and your comparing bodybuilding to video games does get at the psychology of how many of these people think inwardly, it just becomes an obsession, they wanna get to the next level, define that specific muscle, etc. I myself lift and my brother participates in bodybuilding competitions.

My issues aren't with them per se. I believe in Chomsky's "consent is manufactured", applied widely. Whether women like unnatural bodies, or unnaturally intelligent brains, is all up to the media, very little is up to the women themselves. My concern is with brainwashing in society, disguised as individual choice.

I do think for example that women chose the nerd over and over again in the past. In a more primal state, Bill Gates (because of all his wealth) would own a harem of wives and gaggles of children. The bodybuilder, on the other hand, wouldn't get far in those areas. In fact, their using steroids means they're already on the nerd's path, who'll just discover a scientific way to look shredded without all the hard work and waste of time. Bodybuilding, in a way, has already been made obsolete by the nerd's way of doing things.
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@limitless ·
Yes, I completely agree with you here. I just don't really see a clear conflict here. To be the best in any sport, you need to know how to train, diet, and optimize your endocrinology. Healthy body is good for mental health and cognitive performance, and in turn, knowledge helps with fitness and hypertrophy. 

Bill Gates isn't physically unfit either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYz7_VKNa4g

I don't think the problem in the world is that too many people are bodybuilders, but that too many people are degenerating in hedonistic obesity, which is skyrocketing the healthcare costs while also becoming a huge national security issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWN13pKVp9s
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@alexander.alexis · (edited)
I'm totally with you on obesity! 110%! In general, I dislike unnatural bodybuilding the same way, and for the same reason, I dislike fake boobs. I'm also against things that harm our health, and steroids harm our health. And often the things people do "to be the best in any sport" are unhealthy also. Many of these top athletes, if not most, take drugs that are just too good for the authorities to detect, it's like an arms race between drug-takers and drug-detectors. In my previous post of this series I gave the example of Nate Diaz as someone who has a body "trained to its absolute potential". It really doesn't look all that different from an untrained slim body! The kind of body Thor has, at his age, and in such a short span of time, can only be made with drugs. Most women might suspect 'The Rock's' body isn't completely natural (!), but they'll think Thor's body is. Parading that kind of body in movies creates an unhealthy pressure for men, and unrealistic expectations (and consequent disappointment) in women. I wouldn't mind it if at least they came out and admitted they use drugs, for the sake of art (it does look good), but pretending this is real is actually harmful. I guess I'm making a point very similar to the one feminists often make, I'm just reversing the sexes for once. I don't think I ever saw a female body in movies that is actually impossible to occur naturally. But you see this with male bodies all the time.
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@limitless ·
Yes, I'm also against fake natties telling people who's possible on Youtube. The supplement industry is incredibly corrupt. In fact, responsible use of steroids far from the worst. Dorian Yates is still healthy after all these years. The worst are people who who put toxic compounds like superdrol and amphetamine into supplements without the consumer's knowledge. Not only that, most whey proteins on the market are fakes that contain far less protein than they claim and even toxic fillers.

I would mostly agree your sentiment that Nate Diaz is about the peak of natural athleticism... but I would say that he's not natural, because he's a paid athlete... he's taking some sort of PEDs... yet I would also say that it's actually possible to get maybe 5-10lbs bigger than him naturally if you train for size rather than performance. My examples of natural limit would be Frank Yang and Omar Isuf.

This video is an excellent explanation... It's just mass, but a certain 3D look, and even smell, behavioral mood, performance level, speed of transformation, consistency of look, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsoq-C273A
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