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I agree with your assessment, but I think it's a good thing. It's basically yin-yang balance. When women go too much in the direction of social progressivism, men inevitably have to balance things out by bringing back the older value system of physical prowess. From my experiences, steroids and psychedelics almost have opposite yet synergistic effects on the mind. It's the balance of creativity and rational action, or as Nietzsche puts it, Dionysian vs Apollonian. Steroids is the triumph of the Apollonian ideal. You get a sense of order, accomplishment, and clarity from lifting weights. Yes attracting women is a bonus, but it is much more like playing a RPG video game than a means to a reproductive end. In the old days, a few men lived the lives of the archetype hero who goes through the hero's journey to bring value back from chaos. Nowadays, society has been democratized, so now everyone seeks that experience, some through movies, some through video games, some through bodybuilding. The delusion is in the biased mental focus. It's no different from the nerd thinking that he deserves all the women because he has memorized facts that women don't actually care about. Just because you enjoy a particular activity or way of thinking doesn't mean that you deserve the appreciation of others. This is true for everyone... bodybuilders are simply the most externally visible. This is why I don't have a problem with bodybuilders. Many of my good friends are bodybuilders and I also know plenty of liars and insecure scammers in the community as well. It all depends on if you feel entitled or arrogant about your achievements.
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I get what you're saying, and it's insightful, and your comparing bodybuilding to video games does get at the psychology of how many of these people think inwardly, it just becomes an obsession, they wanna get to the next level, define that specific muscle, etc. I myself lift and my brother participates in bodybuilding competitions. My issues aren't with them per se. I believe in Chomsky's "consent is manufactured", applied widely. Whether women like unnatural bodies, or unnaturally intelligent brains, is all up to the media, very little is up to the women themselves. My concern is with brainwashing in society, disguised as individual choice. I do think for example that women chose the nerd over and over again in the past. In a more primal state, Bill Gates (because of all his wealth) would own a harem of wives and gaggles of children. The bodybuilder, on the other hand, wouldn't get far in those areas. In fact, their using steroids means they're already on the nerd's path, who'll just discover a scientific way to look shredded without all the hard work and waste of time. Bodybuilding, in a way, has already been made obsolete by the nerd's way of doing things.
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Yes, I completely agree with you here. I just don't really see a clear conflict here. To be the best in any sport, you need to know how to train, diet, and optimize your endocrinology. Healthy body is good for mental health and cognitive performance, and in turn, knowledge helps with fitness and hypertrophy. Bill Gates isn't physically unfit either: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYz7_VKNa4g I don't think the problem in the world is that too many people are bodybuilders, but that too many people are degenerating in hedonistic obesity, which is skyrocketing the healthcare costs while also becoming a huge national security issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWN13pKVp9s
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I'm totally with you on obesity! 110%! In general, I dislike unnatural bodybuilding the same way, and for the same reason, I dislike fake boobs. I'm also against things that harm our health, and steroids harm our health. And often the things people do "to be the best in any sport" are unhealthy also. Many of these top athletes, if not most, take drugs that are just too good for the authorities to detect, it's like an arms race between drug-takers and drug-detectors. In my previous post of this series I gave the example of Nate Diaz as someone who has a body "trained to its absolute potential". It really doesn't look all that different from an untrained slim body! The kind of body Thor has, at his age, and in such a short span of time, can only be made with drugs. Most women might suspect 'The Rock's' body isn't completely natural (!), but they'll think Thor's body is. Parading that kind of body in movies creates an unhealthy pressure for men, and unrealistic expectations (and consequent disappointment) in women. I wouldn't mind it if at least they came out and admitted they use drugs, for the sake of art (it does look good), but pretending this is real is actually harmful. I guess I'm making a point very similar to the one feminists often make, I'm just reversing the sexes for once. I don't think I ever saw a female body in movies that is actually impossible to occur naturally. But you see this with male bodies all the time.
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