RE: "Spiritual Drugs" Are Bullshit by teamsteem

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· @teamsteem ·
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Let's not just forget about all the positive outcome some drugs can induce. 

>Rigorous study hailed as landmark

> Using unusually rigorous scientific conditions and measures, Johns Hopkins researchers have shown that the active agent in โ€œsacred mushroomsโ€ can induce mystical/spiritual experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for centuries.

> The resulting experiences apparently prompt positive changes in behavior and attitude that last several months, at least.

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> One third said the experience was the single most spiritually significant of their lifetimes; and more than two-thirds rated it among their five most meaningful and spiritually significant. Griffiths says subjects liken it to the importance of the birth of their first child or the death of a parent.

> Two months later, 79 percent of subjects reported moderately or greatly increased well-being or life satisfaction compared with those given a placebo at the same test session. A majority said their mood, attitudes and behaviors had changed for the better.  Structured interviews with family members, friends and co-workers generally confirmed the subjectsโ€™ remarks. Results of a year-long followup are being readied for publication.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html

> 'Magic Mushrooms' May Permanently Alter Personality 

> Just one strong dose of hallucinogenic mushrooms can alter a person's personality for more than a year and perhaps permanently, a new study finds.

> People given psilocybin, the compound in "magic mushrooms" that causes hallucinations and feelings of transcendence, demonstrated a more "open" personality after their experience, an effect that persisted for at least 14 months. Openness is a psychological term referring to an appreciation for new experiences. People who are more open tend to have broad imaginations and value emotion, art and curiosity.

https://www.livescience.com/16287-mushrooms-alter-personality-long-term.html

> Magic Mushrooms Create a Hyperconnected Brain

>The active ingredient in the psychedelic drug, psilocybin, seems to completely disrupt the normal communication networks in the brain, by connecting "brain regions that don't normally talk together," said study co-author Paul Expert, a physicist at King's College London.

https://www.livescience.com/48502-magic-mushrooms-change-brain-networks.html

> Magic Mushrooms Can Erase Fear in Mice

> The active ingredient in hallucinogenic mushrooms may erase frightening memories and encourage new brain cell growth in mice, a new study suggests.

> Mice given an electric shock, then a low-dose of the hallucinogen psilocybin, lost their fearful response to a sound associated with a painful electric shock much more quickly than mice that didn't receive the drug.

https://www.livescience.com/37914-psilocybin-eliminates-traumatic-memories.html

> Psilocybin inhibits the processing of negative emotions in the brain

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140507095756.htm
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@kyriacos ·
These are all studies/statements about magic mushrooms which contain the active substance of psilocybin. I didn't mention them in the article. Completely different from the "spiritual" ones related to LSD and Ayahuasca.

Also many similar studies have also reports of anxiety and panic attacks after taking the drug. In other words, much like modern depressants.
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@teamsteem ·
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Psilocybin mushroom are in the same family compound (tryptamines) as LSD and DMT the active compound of ayahusca. They act on the same neuro-transmitter and have been reported to induce similar experience. 

The family includes neurotransmitter serotonin (5-hydroxy tryptamine) and hallucinogenic/psychedelic drugs such as LSD, Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) - both widely-used, and other, less common, synthetic drugs such as dimethyl-tryptamine (DMT). 

> Other than the duration of the experience, the effects of psilocybin are similar to comparable dosages of LSD or mescaline. However, in the Psychedelics Encyclopedia, author Peter Stafford noted, "The psilocybin experience seems to be warmer, not as forceful and less isolating. It tends to build connections between people, who are generally much more in communication than when they use LSD."[22]


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Biosynthesis_of_psilocybin.svg/800px-Biosynthesis_of_psilocybin.svg.png

Diagram detailing the biosynthesis of psilocybin from tryptophan
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@kyriacos ·
Spare me the wikipedia copy-pasta. We are in the same family as Apes but we are not the same thing. LSD and ayahusca create much stronger effects that can cause many problems. 

Also, all experiences are reported from junkies who self-affirm each other about the effects. No way to get an objective valuation. I can tell you about the positive effects of alcohol of cigarettes but it won't make any sense since they both can make you warmer and socialize or they can make you start drinking by yourself and die. 

Again. bullshit conclusions since they fluctuate equally on both sides of the spectrum. And again. The point of the article was about the non-existence of spiritual claims โ€” not trying to save the day by using political allegory that it can have "some good experience". 

Once again you are being intellectually dishonest.
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@tariqdc · (edited)
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There are plenty of studies that suggest the positive benefits of LSD as well.  

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/05/psychedelic-drugs-like-lsd-could-be-used-to-treat-depression-study-suggests

Psychedelic drugs could prove to be highly effective treatments for depression and alcoholism, according to scientists who have obtained the first brain scans of people under the influence of LSD.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/04/01/lsd-could-make-you-smarter-happier-and-healthier-should-we-all-try-it/?utm_term=.29cf2ef0e7e3

But over the past decade, some scientists have begun to challenge that conclusion. Far from being harmful, they found, hallucinogens can help sick people: They helped alcoholics drink less; terminal patients eased more gently into death. And itโ€™s not just the infirm who are helped by the drugs. Psychedelics can make the healthy healthier, too.

https://www.livescience.com/43894-acid-lsd-therapeutic-value-benefits.html

The LSD experiment is part of a growing trend toward taking certain drugs โ€” long dismissed as "recreational" โ€” more seriously for their therapeutic value. Despite a plethora of federal and state prohibitions against drug-related testing and research, investigators are discovering that many so-called party drugs have real health benefits.

LSD isn't addictive, and unless taken by someone with an existing predisposition towards mental illness, unlikely to do any sort of lasting harm.  The demonization of LSD & other psychedelics is pretty laughable when you consider the harm done by legal drugs such as alcohol, pain killers, nicotine, etc.
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@kyriacos ·
The post didn't bother about the socializing effects of the drugs since they are subjective and can be bad and good. I rather focused debunking the "spiritual" claims which are bullshit with no scientific evidence to support them.

kind reminder that even alcohol can be observed to have the same effects and most people are not alchoholics.
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@kyriacos ·
read this and spare me the drama

<h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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@drumsta ·
Lets not! Thank you :)
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@vancry ·
Now that's some bullshit. Just because it has some "good" or "positive" outcomes, doesn't diminish the real negative outcomes as well.

I'm sorry, but I can't see this repply, and that science research, as otherwise than a bland excuse to take drugs and believe that "it's not that bad for you" :/
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@teamsteem ·
It's okay for you to disagree with science.
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@vancry ·
Well, not science, just this research in particular.
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@kyriacos ·
here is a proper debunk of his kind of "scientific debate". he thinks that his ability to google means that he can debate

<h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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@kyriacos ·
Here is a take down of your copy-pasta comment posts. You know, for future references as well so you think twice before posting on my wall

<h3><a href="https://steemit.com/science/@kyriacos/how-not-to-use-scientific-references">How Not To Use Scientific References</a></h3>
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@tylerfletcher ·
When the replies are better than the posts. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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