RE: Introducing Smackdown Kitty by l0k1

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· @l0k1 · (edited)
You ask the question, why do people invest in steem power, and my answers don't fit your narrative. So you claim that therefore my point is invalid.

If you are really driving at the unspoken question, which is 'how do the people with low self esteem and talent earn money on steem' the answer is, they don't. There is a million other ways such a person can make a living honestly that do not require them to spam up a community blockchain with empty, vapid upvotes on their own, vapid, empty comments.

Also note, and I am not sure if it was Ned who coined the name, but the word Steem is shortened also from Esteem, which means 'to value something'. Excessive self esteem is called arrogance and conceit.
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@davidnx ·
"If you are really driving at the unspoken question, which is 'how do the people with low self esteem and talent earn money on steem' the answer is, they don't. There is a million other ways such a person can make a living honestly that do not require them to spam up a community blockchain with empty, vapid upvotes on their own, vapid, empty comments."

No I wasn't driving at that question. Why would I?

"Also note, and I am not sure if it was Ned who coined the name, but the word Steem is shortened also from Esteem, which means 'to value something'. Excessive self esteem is called arrogance and conceit."

Are you name calling? Just because I dare to question?
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@l0k1 · (edited)
You would not want to admit that is the case but why else would you cast self upvoting as so vital to the platform and the distribution if that was not implied?

Demonstrating that a person's blind spot towards an aspect of a debate resembles bad behaviour most certainly does not constitute an Ad Hominem fallacy.

I admire your desire to continue trying to find a way through my wall of reasons, don't stop, please. I am not trolling you in this statement, at all, this is why I have not made any such explicit declarations. 

You know, I could be wrong on a very critical point. I don't see it yet, and this is not the first debate I have had about this with people, as you can imagine. I would like you to keep looking as long as you feel dissatisfied with my answers, and probe me as much as you like. Of course if you were to start using Ad Hominems I would simply stop replying.

This is a collaborative process of truth discovery, vitally important to the progress of our species.
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@davidnx ·
"You would not want to admit that is the case but why else would you cast self upvoting as so vital to the platform and the distribution if that was not implied?"

I said that it should be in the rules of SteemIt rather than having a bot.


" You know, I could be wrong on a very critical point. I don't see it yet, and this is not the first debate I have had about this with people, as you can imagine."

You do realize that it is about a matter of opinion and not a matter of right and wrong.

As I said to you in the other thread, Good Night (or day)!
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@lexiconical ·
*" Excessive self esteem is called arrogance and conceit."*

How do you decide what is excessive (and why are you the decider?)
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@elfspice · (edited)
$0.04
![flagrewards.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmUpo62t2B9eTgwbGLq17svFUWpchCyH8wMRgiUNhogmtG/flagrewards.png)

You are also free to do as you wish with your voting power, and I use it to call people out for being egotistical, control freaks afraid they aren't going to get anyone voting on their content, deciding that the rewards should go to them.

Clearly I am within the rights defined even just on this site as a commonly accepted method of interaction with content that will receive unjust rewards.

Note that you will never see @l0k1 vote for @elfspice, since some also want to whine that stopping self voting on the interface and blockchain does not stop using alt accounts. I am resteeming all my new posts from the @elfspice account, however. Since, after all, it is me, same person, my followers will still want to see them.
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@lexiconical · (edited)
Well, I never called out your use of voting power on your personal account. But, taking it to the level of creating flagging bots and looking for delegated SP (I assume from others) takes you out of your own voting power and into being some sort of community policeman.

I never suggested you were outside your rights with self-voting.

I wouldn't have a problem with you self-voting your own posted content from your own alt account, it's still your SP. Same with resteems, etc. You are just trying to relocate followers, no issue there.

My main points remains you are not stopping voting from alt accounts, so functionally, you do nothing to stop self-voting except catch the egregious and those who don't care. They will still do it, and if your bot every slows them down, they will just create another account.

This is like trying to make karma matter on Reddit - a pointless endeavor that will only "catch" the bottom 10% of least savvy "abusers".

Frankly, I think this is borderline totally wasted effort when things like BookingTeam.com spamming trending  is happening every single day.
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@mindhunter ·
$0.20
I notice @l0k1 has not got to this comment yet - I am in full agreement with you there @lexiconical :)
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@lexiconical ·
I have decided it is best to not poke the bear (kitty) anymore, in this case. ;)
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