Now that you can vote yourself some real money, how tempted are you? by neoxian

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· @neoxian · (edited)
$127.23
Now that you can vote yourself some real money, how tempted are you?
How tempted are you to vote on yourself?

* Very tempted?
* Extremely tempted?
* Pretty darn tempted?

Sorry, not trying to be negative here.  HF 19 is really cool, and most people are social and generous, so maybe things will be fine after all?

We'll see.

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@johnsmith ·
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I am trying very hard to give one vote to another for every vote I give to myself.

Not gonna lie, it is freaking hard

:)
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@btcmillionaire ·
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haha I am doing it but I always have :D
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@oceancoinz ·
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ROFL, it is freaking hard, but we'll get through this together. =P
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@johnsmith ·
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It is a really, really great problem to have :)
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@acassity ·
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#### Followed and voted! I turned my voting power down though don't wanna spend it all in one place.....
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@johnsmith ·
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Thank you! I'm going at 100% all day today, see how long it takes to get to zero. This is just amazing. Good luck!
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@btcmillionaire ·
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I want to burn it all to test the system...
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@florio ·
Already tried it.  So I guess Extremely Tempted.
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@mk40 ·
$0.37
I am definitely more aware of my voting power than I was before...going to have to be much more selective now. Hopefully others will do the same when the hysteria of being able to give a larger payout with one vote subsides. Definitely done voting on my own comments now!
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@l0k1 · (edited)
$0.92
I already was, and at some time it was as much as 20,000SP. I don't see how 'me' should be excluded from one's ranking of value of everything. Isn't it even the  emblematic boilerplate election shot of a politician casting a vote, most likely for himself, on every tv news channel?

I look at it this way - self voting is essentially distributing the new tokens to everyone. I don't vote my comments but it looks like this is going to be a thing for the graspy imaginationless spammer types for a while. I don't think it really matters in the long run, the more people the less this is a profit and blah blah. It's just a transition period because the userbase had adapted to 10 cent steem, and now it's 20x the size. The market will bring the people to try every way to get a piece of it they can think of. And probably a new hardfork change will be indicated by the way it is played out.
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@redris ·
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Not tempted at all.
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@neoxian ·
No?
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@btcmillionaire ·
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haha anndddd you voted it!
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@neoxian ·
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He is being ironic, like rain on your wedding day. ;)
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@redris ·
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Here you go, you get a vote too
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@zaragast ·
Iper tempted, beyond the limit of knowledge
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@nepd ·
It's difficult, but if we all isolate ourselves, eventually this just won't work. We have to keep reaching out to others, encouraging them and building up this platform.
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@piercetheveil ·
I feel that this is the answer to countering the shit posts, but also making steemians who curate the money they are used to.

Good for me and you because we are constant quality posters.

Damn it, now im tempted again.. LOL thanks a lot @neoxian.
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@neoxian ·
$0.07
You're welcome, that's what I'm here for: the little red devil on your shoulder.
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@siersod ·
I have not used almost my vote for the fear of inflation or devaluation that could generate this disproportionate increase
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@vogard04 ·
$1.63
Very very tempted me:D
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@neoxian ·
$0.04
At least you are honest.
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@vogard04 ·
$0.04
Honestly it is beautiful.
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@personz ·
$5.85
Very important. As I'm sure you're aware this was one of the reasons for squared vote curves.

From the whitepaper, this is known as the Prisoners Dilemma:

> The naive voting process creates a Prisoner’s Dilemma whereby each individual voter has incentive to vote for themselves at the expense of the larger community goal. If every voter defects by voting for themselves then no currency will end up distributed and the currency as a whole will fail to gain network effect. On the other hand, if only one voter defects then that voter would win undeserved profits while having minimal effect on the overall value of the currency.

> **In order to realign incentives and discourage individuals from simply voting for themselves, money must be distributed in a nonlinear manner.** For example a quadratic function in votes, i.e., someone with twice the votes of someone else should receive four times the payout and someone with three times the votes should receive nine times the payout. In other words, the reward is proportional to votes^2 rather than votes. This mirrors the value of network effect which grows with n^2 the number of participants, according to Metcalfe’s Law.

> Assuming all users have equal stake, someone who only receives their own vote will receive much less than someone who receives votes from 100 different users. This encourages users to cooperate to vote for the same things to maximize the payout. This system also creates financial incentive to collude where everyone votes on one thing and then divides the reward equally among themselves.
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@neoxian ·
$3.27
Wish more people actually bothered to read the whitepaper.
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@btcmillionaire ·
$0.62
I did but they don't update changes. So if you read the white paper you still might think inflation is 100% a year...
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@cosmicfontaint ·
Your upvotes has also significantly grown... Hm... it's a bit ridiculous. Don't think that comments deserve to generate so much money. It's stimulating indeed but it can open a hunt on whales. Why generate content if you can just comment?)

It's ridiculous but my made "just for fun" alterego made a good profit from dirty humor comments. Much more than new content did.
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@personz ·
Btw I didn't actually answer your question. I'd be upvoting my posts by default as it is the steemit.com interface default for a while. I also manually upvoted my comments when I wanted to raise the visiblity.

It certainly has a different taste now though :/
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@lennstar ·
Too bad that only works as long as you aren't a whale and not using bots ;)
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@personz ·
Lol, good point. Things always come up as experiments continue. I'm glad in this case that something popular was listened to.

Now, let's hope it works out! 🤞

Don't forget, as difficult as the sell would be, we can always roll back 😉
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@josephd · (edited)
This is understandable in the beginning, but doesn't make sense when most of the voting power in a network of 200,000 + people gets concentrated within less than a 100 people, how can they ever hope to curate that much content ? 

Anyways, LOTS of self voting (for whales) was happening  before the HF too.
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@personz ·
$0.02
That's the idea! Yea I think you are right, it was something I've supported for a while.
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@josephd ·
And the self voting will reduce once the initial hype of the HF dies, right now people are literally self voting for 'fun' and to see how much their votes are worth lol. I'm confident this won't continue
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@personz ·
I'm interested to see if that's true. It would be easy to do the stats on this in say a weeks time. Might be a good project.
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@thatgermandude ·
I think the Prisoner Dilemma premises that humans are inherently evil and will try to abuse the system. On the other side much of Steem is actually founded on the principal of humans being positiv and social. 

N² also created the unfair hit or miss environment and overall huge inequality between trending and new. I feel like n² was like shooting mocking birds with heavily artillery.
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@lucashunter ·
$1.65
I am really tempted but the steempower drains so fast. I think people don't know that yet. Some already drained their power. Truly with great power comes great responsibility
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@btcmillionaire ·
$0.20
Enjoy who knows how long it will last!
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@lucashunter ·
$0.13
Yeah, I feel this will drain the reward pool fast and it may be rolled back. But we can't say for sure what is going to happen.
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@bloomberg215 ·
$0.25
I am minnow, so i just enjoy the party. Hope it is going to be great for everyone.
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@abh12345 · (edited)
Question is, can I get more than my own vote by commenting and voting on another blog?  If answer equals maybe, then I'll be going for that approach (still)
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@jodipamungkas ·
good news @neoxian
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@realcodysimon ·
$1.91
I think in the beginning people will vote themselves some money, it gives them a confidence boost. I hope as time goes on however they realize it still benefits them to vote for other peoples as well. That being said I am totally upvoting this comment along with your post ;)
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@brianphobos ·
$0.62
Pretty darn tempted!  After 10 months of grinding and not really getting much if my payouts are any reflection of how things are going to be now then this is how I feel!  
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@btcmillionaire ·
$0.22
have some on the house :D haha
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@acassity ·
I am not to tempted I turned my voting power down to 10% after I realized 100% equals 1.80 at 90% power.
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@rocking-dave ·
$0.88
Quite tempted to very tempted despite the fact that might vote is still quite miniscule. But I'm actually happier that I can spread some value around as before the hardfork my votes were basically worthless (below 1 cent). Now I'm up all the way to 3 cents I think. Mayble I'll be capable of a few 4 cent votes when fully regenerated :P I think I'll actually be looking at my votes with a bit more responsibility and care now as they finally have some value.

I think the biggest implication of this hardfork is that it makes it possible for newcommers to make some Steem even with a very small following and attention. In the past the exponential curve was keeping those very low and now they have been dragged significantly higher.

Here are my personal stats of the only 3 posts last week just before and just after the update (I got no additional votes between the two screenshots) and my total earnings from them are up over 800%:

![before hardfork.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmNU5Nbh65dgtjTbe4HVPjiEqku8ygz42aXKmnsguoNb9s/before%20hardfork.png)
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@florio ·
This hard fork seems great for the little guy, like myself.
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@alexrickard86 ·
$0.70
Everyone is just gonna upvote themselves constantly haha I can see it happening!
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@alol ·
Time for get big payout...
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@lennstar ·
I always vote on my posts. Why not? If I would not think they are worth my vote I would not write them. 
Also it feels good.
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@neoxian ·
$0.65
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L6hEyLmimZs/maxresdefault.jpg
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@barvon ·
Project HF 19 goes well ..
Sound for everyone ride with great power ...
I vote on my own posts and also posts others.
I will share the upvote to other people's posts.
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@oceancoinz ·
$0.89
Haha, it's hard, however it makes you think about it before you give the upvote now.
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@skeptic ·
I'm doing it to cancel out the censorship.
xD
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@neoxian ·
$0.89
You are probably the most uncensored censored person I know. ;)
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@skeptic ·
now its almost like im not censored at all.
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@cryptohustlin ·
$0.08
wow -6 nice :)
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@skeptic ·
only takes one butthurt whale.
:D
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@novaatebatman ·
$0.88
I'm not tempted to vote for myself at all.

But _holy shit_, @neoxian! If the current totals on my more recent posts are accurate, I'll be making a lot from the several times I posted your shark!

Currently my vote is worth about $0.12. That's really excited! But I'm glad I started practicing reserved upvoting and resteeming  several weeks ago. I think this system will benefit significantly from that practice. (I do still upvote plenty, I just don't upvote all willy nilly.)

Also, unrelated to this, but thought you might like to know: I requested my own chatroom. My request was granted. Would you like to join it?

I don't know if it's actually been made yet or not (I was told he'd make it when he returned to his desk later today) because every time I try to get in the chat I keep getting a bad gateway message. Which happened yesterday for a couple hours, too.

Oh, do you have any interests in photography or writing at all? I'll be starting two contests later today (possibly three). The prizes won't be great or anything ($5 SBD each), but you might enjoy participating?
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@florio ·
I'd be interested in the photography contest.
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@novaatebatman ·
It's a very specific theme, but I have an idea for it that I think will make perfectly accessible for everyone.

Would you like me to tag you when I post the photography contest?
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@neoxian ·
I'll be happy to join your chat room.
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@novaatebatman ·
Awesome! :D
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@runridefly ·
@neoxian, I might not upvote my next post today.  This is too much
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@modnar ·
I think voting yourself is kinda lame, but I see how many would be tempted.
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@cosmicfontaint · (edited)
If i was a big player may be i would be pretty darn tempted. But as far as i am not here just for money and not a big fish i don't even think about it. I even haven't thought about that but what i've noticed is that my upvotes generate more profit for the authors and it gives me a lot of positive emotions. 

Now, let's pay attention to bounce rate and average time spent of steemit. It would quite interesting. Let me know if you have access to such realtime data or may be you can suggest where to get it.

Alexa.com and similarweb.com shows only delayed and estimate data.
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@moorsie ·
$0.04
Pretty darn hard? But hopefully if i upvote other people they will return the favor
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@neoxian ·
That strategy made more sense under N^2
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@cryptohustlin ·
$0.06
As somebody who upvoted them selves since 0.0005$ per upvote ecstatic :]
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@bullionstackers ·
Didn't know that, thought I just gain full power or being delegated
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@gmuxx ·
Not at all, limited to 10 full power, not worth it. I'd rather help and support others
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@steevc ·
Well I have been before, but now it's worth a lot more. I'm going to have to reconsider my strategy
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@ogoowinner ·
$0.87
@neoxian my most generous friend, I'm tempted. But I voted myself only three times today. Been using it to vote others.
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@neoxian ·
$0.25
It's ok, you can do it one more time.  I won't tell anyone.
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@ogoowinner ·
Lol!
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@cryptohustlin ·
$0.06
Is steemit.chat down for you too? Did you notice polo paused withdrawl / deposit on steem and SBD?
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@flipstar · (edited)
$2.64
I did upvote myself a lot anyway and now I am even more incliend to, since I see it as my mining here. 

I am curious how people will upvote now. 

I liked to be pretty generous on the comments on my own posts with my upvotes and also here I just have to gather experience on how much voting power I can use now, since I still want to be recharged after 24 hours ( if this is still a thing?) 

I am curious what the new voting system will do to the price of steem.

Exciting times we live in.

And I am still upvoting myself 

my voting power tomorrow will feel after it just came back from 1 week partying
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@btcmillionaire ·
$0.08
Voting for everyone until I go to 0
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@methiou ·
$0.12
we will see
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@topdog · (edited)
@neoxian, I am a newbie, just posted my intro today. I am a bit naive and yet to check out the maize of steemit terminology and the way it works. but what ever little knowledge I have, I believe I will Not be  voting for myself. It is like 'liking' my own post in FB. I know it's about money. But I feel it is not right...let me see how long I can resist, not that I have anything great in my wallet now. when the wallet fattens let me see what wins. My mind or my heart :)
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@onetree ·
$1.24
You received 72 votes (and counting). 😉
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@neoxian ·
$0.03
Thank goodness for generous voters!
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@onetree ·
Maybe we really are generous? Wouldn't it be awesome to feel differently about humanity, if only for a moment.?
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@aggroed ·
$0.86
Can't wait to see how much the scammer can make now!!!
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@tamsguitar ·
this is my chance to give back what I have got. Without the support of some generous whales I couldn't have earned what i earned today. I am a minnow but with somewhat increased power so I would like to get the newbies started at least for the first week. thus I plan to vote my self last.
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@kingscrown ·
$2.06
this changes will make hardcore inflation.. which cant end good imo - but we will see
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@neoxian ·
Actually no, this hardfork does not create any more Steem then usual.
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@imwatsi ·
$0.43
> most people are social and generous, so maybe things will be fine after all?

**Well said!**
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@zack813 ·
$2.61
It's not much different if I vote or not vote someone because my reputation is not high.Although my power is used so fast, I always vote myself. I just get used to do this. I think I must change it or I'll always beg for your power.
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@acehpost ·
exuse sir plz i need support
how i can to deep know about steemit :xD 

#needsupport
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@cryptohazard ·
I just don't see the point. By default I upvote my posts, but not my comments. This is not the *essence* of my time here.
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@stevescoins ·
$0.29
very, very tempted

I set a 20% vote/50 day policy just so I wouldn't do it;  right now, if I upvoted myself, I would be making per day what I wanted to be making per day...so, yes, very tempting ;>
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@freebornsociety ·
I'm voting my comments that have votes so that the voter can have some curation rewards,...
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@themanualbot ·
$0.19
Just like the look on your face! I mean your badge lol. :)
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@aaronpake ·
$0.02
Imo voting people i follow is more fun and improves the comunity and users of steemit .So i will keep my votes for the content i most enjoy and reward the ceeators =)
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@michaeladamparis ·
$0.38
I have always upvoted my posts and comments... now it's a bit extreme so I may dial down the percentage. I am wondering how the reward pool will adjust to thousands of people upvoting at full strength all of their own stuff? HF20 will bear out the consequences, I'm sure.
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@hanshotfirst ·
It is going to take a lot of self discipline by as many people as possible. If everyone self votes, the platform will crumble.  We need to keep rewarding content that will bring people here. It's true a person can get small immediate gratification now, but if we can keep encouraging good content, we will be far better off in the future.
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@arjane ·
I did lol
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@playfulfoodie ·
$0.12
I always upvoted my own posts with the automatic option when posting. It gave me about $0.08 in the end. I'm still doing that, though it looks so freaking weird now with over $2! I haven't decided if I will continue yet, because the automatic option doesn't give me a way of reducing the percentage at which I vote (as far as I'm aware).
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@dreemit ·
I was sitting here thinking who I could ask some questions of and then 'ding ding' neoxian is smart! I will ask him! lol.  Okay, so here goes- For the first time I watched my voting power drop through the floor (and actually I'm not touching the vote button until my power is at least most of the way back, but I will leave this post up in my browser along with some others I have waiting so I can hit it
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@neoxian ·
Voting was changed so that a standard vote is four times stronger but uses four times the power as well.  You would vote at 25% to simulate the full strength of before.
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@dreemit ·
I was sitting here thinking "who can I ask?" and then it occurred to me "neoxian is a witness, and he's smart" lol.  So here's the thing, my voting power dropped through the floor and I'm currently waiting for it to get back up there (I will add this post to the others in my browser that I'm going to vote on when my power comes back) what I want to know is, how many posts can I vote on at 100% per day without killing my voting power? If I know that, then I can figure out percentage breakdowns etc.
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@neoxian ·
You can vote ten times per day.  Vote at 25% to simulate how things were before.
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@thatgermandude ·
Not in the least. I got triple payouts on all my posts and the comments easily got 5-10x rewards. I would not dare to vote up my comments with @neoxian power. I do it with my posts that I do 1 or 2 times per day. I Hope that is cool with votes being cut to 10 per day.

To be honest HF19 gave me a massive smile on my face. :)
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@jengkelly ·
i have another word,  malignant and cute :D
Nice mr.neo :)
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@theblindsquirl · (edited)
I had to stop because I wouldn't have votes for anyone else.

Now I only vote for @aggroed & @minnowsupport
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@johndarcy1994 ·
though i am really worried about the value of steem will go down.
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@uwelang ·
$0.27
Tricky thing isn't it - Temptation and desire vs. community thinking lol. For now I have not voted any of my posts with 100% yet, usually 10% are fair I would say - or 5 or less?  Have not checked how the big boys are doing it - maybe some claim the automatic up vote button has changed to default when they post something. 

Sometimes you might want a comment to get more visibility somewhere and up vote that then. 

I am curious how that will develop - think it is clear what approach is the  best for the community. How are you handling this @neoxian?
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@neoxian ·
$0.63
I haven't changed too much actually.  Like before, sometimes I do upvote my own stuff, but I try to go easy on that, and make sure that I'm rewarding other too.  Yes, sometime I'll upvote my own comment for visibility, just did that an hour ago actually.
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@uwelang ·
Sounds like it should be - thanks dude
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@bangjal ·
Great post, I think this is amazing information, keep on sharing :)

Follow me @bangjal and add your voice in my post, because your voice I really need to support me keep giving the best post :)
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