RE: What is the Witness Legal Liability For Copyright Infringement & Other Online Rules? Dtube? by ura-soul

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· @ura-soul ·
I'm not really sure what you are saying here. If a court decides that copyrighted material is being served by the Steem network and that they want it closed, I don't see what difference it makes if 'the average person' doesn't know the IP address of the Steem nodes. I am not really suggesting that the average person would use the nodes directly - the point is that if they are trying to shut down websites that serve steem content, then it is pretty obvious that part of that would be going to the root source of the data or at least trying to block it. 
It doesn't matter if you put a fence around something that is designated as illegal, it's still called 'illegal'.

I'm honestly not trying to make a case against Steem here, I'm just speaking based on what I have seen occur with other services that got shut down and in some cases people put in jail. Pirate bay and others come to mind.
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@guiltyparties · (edited)
You wanted a discussion so here I am.  I know you're not making a case. I mainly go from my experience having to deal with these requests.  Kinda if I'm running a traditional social media page and need to take something off the site. It's still in my database and backups (due to redundancy) but it's off my site. Now that's in a centralized case.  In a decentralized case, there's what, 400+ witnesses? They all have servers synced to various levels and there could be servers syncing and not broadcasting. It's not the avenue a prosecutor would take -- it's a waste of their time. Just like right now I'm trying to deal with the phishing domains. I know I can't get the site deleted so I'm going after the registrars, which is a lot more centralized than some site that can be hosted anywhere and mirrored ten times over.

When you attack your enemy you take the easiest route, not the hardest.
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@ura-soul ·
Except that some witnesses are known, can be traced and have made huge amounts of money from their actions - thus making them both an easy and profitable target.
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@guiltyparties · (edited)
Technically speaking, they made a huge amounts of digital items called 'tokens'. When they sell those otherwise worthless things they get a different type of equally-worthless digital 'tokens'. Should they trade those, then they get money. Steem Power isn't even a token actually. 

I think the issue at hand isn't whether the witnesses are responsible but whether the services are complicit in copyright infringement by enabling the activity without taking any mitigating actions or discouraging it in any way.

In fact by doing so they victimize us, the witnesses, by allowing copyrighted content to flow onto the blockchain and onto our servers.
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