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> Anyone that's on top trending consistently for too long on a bot list evidently reduces the quality of their posts I think that's actually a bit broad. When I had a bot list I noticed that some authors milked it, and some authors continued to produce good content without even increasing their frequency of posts. As with everything there are good apples and bad apples. I noted this because I received complaints and evaluated them. Sometimes I agreed with the complaint and took the author off the list, other times after evaluating the authors contributions I did not agree and saw no decline in quality. Ultimately it is up to the stakeholder to decide if their votes are being used constructively, whether they are being done personally, with a bot, or via a hired guild. If that doesn't work then the system rules don't work, at least not with the stake distribution that was created here. That's a plausible argument.
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Very true, not in all cases but in most from my perspective the last few months I've been here. I don't think it's about good and bad apples in general. Just people getting wrapped up in their ego in the face of perceived high rewards vs a 'normal job'. I think we both realize this system is potentially plagued within a tragedy of the commons context.
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>I don't think it's about good and bad apples in general. Just people getting wrapped up in their ego in the face of perceived high rewards vs a 'normal job'. its not even really about ego. Its about common sense. If im going to get paid 100/post regardless of quality, its really really stupid of me not to post the maximum number of posts allowed per day (at least from an economic standpoint). The same thing happened with cars in the 70s in the united states. US car manufacturers were producing shit that couldnt compete with japanese manufacturers. So the government subsidized them. ANd what did they do -- they just doubled down on the shit. Yeah, i might lose my support if my quality declines significantly. But there's certainly no evidence that will happen on steemit. Especially since its fairly obvious that many (not all) whales don't even read the posts they upvote... they just set their bots and continue to upvote as many posts as the author cares to write.
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>Ultimately it is up to the stakeholder to decide if their votes are being used constructively, whether they are being done personally, with a bot, or via a hired guild. agree with this completely. I think arguments to the effectiveness (and the unintended consequences) of guilds like the OP are generally aimed at changing the large stakeholders minds about their support of these guilds.
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