RE: This is a PAY IT FORWARD POST to help our friend @dianargenti here. Her father passed away & she needs funds to complete the burial AND help her family. We dropped the ball on helping her Steemit Family. by son-of-satire

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· @son-of-satire ·
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After I commented, I scrolled down to have a read, and I did notice a lot of this guilt tripping you speak of. Comments like "Bernie flagged this 3 times or Dian's family would have more."

Now, this is quite clearly attempted emotional manipulation, which I do find to be very unbecoming. However, I didn't want to jump to any conclusions, because there is a chance that the manipulation was done for her and her family. 

But when you tell me that after all that, he did not even resteem the very post that this is apparently about making up for, I think that is enough for me to make a decision. I am very disappointed.

I will go and do the same as you.
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@enjar ·
I’m confused. Is this the resteemed your talking about that never happened?
![resteem.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmRrHiJgLH6k1XUWzf88QUaPiPaGjqwZ7ea1hGUKPsQ4LT/resteem.png)
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@son-of-satire ·
I'm confused about why you chose to send this to me. It was not I who stated that it was not resteemed. However, I should have verified the information before making an opinion. Still, this is irrelevant, I just read his reply to me and I know what I need to know.
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@enjar ·
You are top comment where questions get answers. 
# Confusion 
Such as you disagreeing with your own statement if people don’t read past the first paragraphed for further clarification:

“don't feel comfortable with this at all after reading that she will only receive the liquid rewards”

“But now that I realise you are taking the liquid rewards from this”

Some people seem to think you are accusing him of taking the liquid reward from this post for himself?  I assume you are talking about illiquid rewards the STEEM portion. You do clarify that up further in your comment where most don’t bother reading

But that just shows how few people even bothered to read “am donating the liquid rewards to her” I guess they all were just too busy patting themselves on the back for “doing the right thing” which would have been up voting her blogs and comments more than his post. This was very kind of you, and many others to do. More people should be encouraged to do the same. Rather they just want be butt hurt over their own lack of reading. 

# Claims of No
Then there your claims of her saying “no” which is being rather unfair to dianargenti.  She uses words like “don’t worry, ”trying hard here but we can cope,” “I guess,” and a lot of other langue in the example you quoted. Expect those are not meaning “not” to more help. If you ever been poor, or have worked with poor people you understand  that just someone trying be polite and not wanting to cause more trouble than they already have in asking. It’s definitely not a “no” to being help out more.

This is however getting off the main message the community really needs to learn about blogs like this. Go upvote the people in need not those requesting help for people in need. 

# Should I even remain
I’m just trying work out here if I should even remain a member of his community or not. People seem to be using miss-information to burn him at the stake. Unless I’m mistaken he did disclose that the “liquid” reward was going to her. I see that as often as I see people offer up the whole reward. Granted I disagree with that which is why I upvoted more on her own comments/blogs before I ever upvoted this. 

I have voiced my own concerts directly to him in:

* Remove all your wallet address and only include hers. Include a link back to where she states it's hers.

* Remove your “some of my recent blogs” section.

* And some other things to make this more about helping her out.
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@acidyo ·
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I must've missed the re-steem. Wasn't the main argument vs his behavior and the way he handles criticism against keeping 50% of the rewards.
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@dianargenti ·
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Hi there sir I do really thank u for your kind consideration about this for me to have more or all of the rewards given. And I am sorry if I wasn't been able to resteem the post my friend Barry did for me for I was in the province where there is no signal and internet and just got back yesterday. Sir when I found out that what happened about the blog post of my brother @barrydutton cuase him so much I don't know how to address and handle the issue for I am just an ordinary steemians who asked for help to my good friend Barry. I do post blog asking for help and favor and I do thanked already who have good hearted like you who give their support  and I do already knew at hand that my brother barry plan to post in his page for my favor and give me the liquid rewards as he promised to me. Sir many of you in here is a big person in steemit who also have the willingness to help. but if the issues is just by given me the liquid reward which I already know at first is no big deal for me but instead it is a very big favor in my side. My good friend Barry already helped me a lot.but when he finds out I didn't raise the fund which I needed even before it he already plan to do the post and I do thank him for that for in my side I think it is too much for him to do. If ever he gained some for doing this is it isn't right for him for he also  deserved it? There is no issues in my side about what I can have and 
what he will give to  me, for I also don't want to get all it is greediness. If only I can handle  all the expenses and the needs I assure  everyone they won't see me or read my post asking for help. For us who really needs it,it is really ashamed and sad that many thinks we are beggar begging for help. Many said we are begging like beggars even if the truth is we  do really need help.many comments arises differently saying good and bad. But my heart broke reading some of nasty comments about those  who asked for help and they compared as like beggars begging. Sir if I can 
only handle the expenses and others i won't asked for it, but i only asked as I  said to my friend and to others  a good steemians like you who have the heart and understanding to help and won't compare  us to beggars begging for 
a little money to survive in their daily needs. I won't say this will only be my post asking  for help for I am just and ordinary person and I don't hold the time of  what will happen in the future. But the event of what my good friend Barry  done for me to help me arises many issues and  different views. It was  being misunderstood in his side, for all I know he only wanted to help but instead his reputation and names was being harm. Sir u are one of those I have knew thru my friend Barry and I guess you also knew I exist in here because of him if I wasn't mistaken. Sir it makes me feel so sad that helping me cause my good brother too much on his side. And the only way that I can return the favor that he did for me is to let you know and others that I still needed the help he do and I do know that I won't get the whole of it and it is also my one way of thanking him for I know he can raise more fund for me because he had more friends, followers and know big ones and person here  in the community like you which he thinks can help. Hope sir you reconsidered the thoughts I wanted to convey to you and give my good friend and brother what is due for him for helping those who needs like me. A very much thank you for your concern, and hope issues will be settled in a nice and fruitful ideas to be tackled into. More power and GOD BLESS. HOPE YOU WONT GET MAD at me.
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@son-of-satire ·
I am very sorry that this has turned into something that has led you to feel the need to type such a long comment. It was never my intent to influence people to remove their upvotes, nor to add to downvotes, so I am really bothered by the fact that my words seem to have cost you money that you could really use right now.

I had only hoped, and in truth, even expected, that Barry would simply offer you the entirety of the funds raised for you. I understand that you personally have no problem with Barry keeping half of the money, and would still be grateful for what he has done for *you.* regardless. 

The issue here for me stems from my inability to believe that this has been done for you at all. While Barry may claim this is a standard model for fundraising on Steemit, that does not mean that it is the best model. I simply wanted you to receive all of the funds earned, and regret that all this has happened as a result.

I do feel that I was entirely reasonable and civil with all my words to Barry, until the point where he posted a very long message to me that ignored the issue of paying you the whole funds, and instead focused only on insulting me and trying to manipulate readers. 

It is for this reason that I responded in kind, but in retrospect, I realise how unproductive this approach was to attaining the goal for which the initial comment was intended to achieve. I have no more interest in speaking with Barry. I believe that every message he has sent me has not actually been for me, but for the readers. 

This entire thing has become nothing to do with raising money for you, and instead it has somehow become about defending Barry's character. I am sorry that you have for some reason been led to believe this is important, but it is not. I cannot be convinced that Barry's actions were not self-serving, because I have witnessed Barry's actions. 

The only important thing here is you, and I have, intentionally or not, lost you  some money that you could really use right now. I wanted to offer you a donation to make up for this, but this week I had my own unexpected outgoings to the vet and I could not. The SBD in my wallet is also pledged to users who engaged on my posts over the last week. However, I noticed that I seem to have made $40 o $50 dollars simply from commenting on this issue, and so all that I have earned through commenting on Barry's post and my own post about you, shall go to you. I will be able to give you the full amount, not just the liquid, because I have no intention of stopping my power down after this shit. I know this will not be enough to cover everything I lost for you, buy hopefully, if Barry is finally able to commit to giving you the full amount, then that should do a much better job of balancing things out.

I am very sorry for your family's loss, and please do not feel obligated to actively try and resolve any issue here. You do not have to defend Barry's character, even if he sought you ought and asked you to come here and do so. You should have said no, because you have more important things to worry about and this must just seem like the silliest shit ever to be spending your time on.
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@dianargenti ·
Sir reading this reply from you makes me.important which I felt I am in this matter.  But for what happen and for the issues that was being arise maybe has a good thing that result. Please you don't need to repay back what was lost for I know you only think what's best and also turns out can I call it disaster? Hahaha, I don't mind at all for I also win hopefully a friend in you. You and him is different in other way. I may not care if u don't talked to others but I wish and hope what we have started will continued. I will be so grateful if u drop by and comment even if you will not.vote hahaha. My page is bz because of you guys and I'm thankful of it now they noticed me, hahaha! Have a good day and be blessed.
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