RE: Vaccine Debate: VACCINES ARE SAFE AND PEOPLE ARE MORALLY OBLIGATED TO TAKE THEM. by lennstar

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· @lennstar ·
>So is there an argument that vaccines are completely safe and effective?

No. There never was. Also nobody says trains are totally safe. They are still several times safer then cars, so saying its safer to travel by train is true. Same with vaccines, just that the difference is even bigger.
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@kafkanarchy84 ·
All this is garbage? 

https://youtu.be/xMAxs2duqNk
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@dodge9108 ·
WRONG!  More research needed by you dear man.
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@kafkanarchy84 ·
What, specifically, is factually inaccurate about the information presented herein?
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@lifeworship ·
$0.22
So what you're saying seems to be, that we should make trains mandatory?
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@lennstar ·
Strange how you alwas think that I say things that I never have said. 

We should put more resources into bettering the train network instead of ever more roads and cars, if you mean that.
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@lifeworship ·
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Since when do I ALWAYS think that you say things that you've never have said?

Since when do you have any idea what I think?

I was stretching the analogy to the same extent as the mandatory vaccine argument, to show how ridiculous it is. I could be accused of appeal to ridicule, but it is your analogy. Vaccines are dangerous and even deadly. I'm not going to permanently injure or kill myself, no matter who, or how many, it would help. The train analogy breaks down before it even leaves the station.

And then there's this...your answer to @stillwater above.

>"A) Because they care about the health of other"

You are implying, though I don't expect you know it, that those who choose to refrain from endangering their health are less caring than those who blindly fall in line, and are injected with potentially lethal toxins.

>"B) Because there are people aho cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason, always or temporary. You are protecting them if there isn't a horde of sick people around."

Vaccination does not protect these people, this is one of the common pieces of propaganda. Even if it did, which it doesn't, should I set my child on fire to keep someone else's child warm? How many people is it okay to injure or kill to pretend that we are protecting a few sick people?

>"for whatever reason" 

This is not a sound or valid argument.
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